Question on TBL

[modnar]

It is know said that TBL is now part of the NOR arsenal, Being a NOR player, I am wandering if I am entitled to get the rules.

I think those rules were explained on the MDB private forum.

[modnar]

Sorry for the spelling mistake. Where I put know you should read now. Also correct wandering, I said wondering.

[Guest]

TB4L means-- time before last. Basically you play whatever happened the time before last. It is a great tool for those shoes with lots of 1iar, then streaks of 3 or more... You can also play it as if it were s4 mode 1 -- or mode 2 (if you see 2's) -(because 2iar's will beat tb4l). Many of us use this as a way to assess the shoe or until the shoe shoes us exactly what it is doing. Hope this help...

[brad01]

Thanks Stephen,

Its a must know I reckon and a perfect system if 2's didn't exist! but unfortunately they do and a lot of times enough to make TBL a break even or a loser.

3's also aren't great as they are break even.

On the flip side when 2's or 3's are dominant OTBL kills it which is why its kind of like a reverse system?

Another question what are the ones doing - long ZZ or just sporadic like - also makes a difference as to how good TBL will work.

I just finished playing a shoe that was high in repeats and when I looked, low in 2's as in zero

Switched straight to TBL and actually got out with no 2's showing up as had something else to do and figured I got a good run with no 2's so why test things?

Often get that with no 2's showing up but then as soon as they do they often dominate for the rest of the shoe so always be ready to take the win and abandon TBL or you've lost that profit and can end up a loser when the 2's keep coming.

[ECD]

Personally...I think TB4L needs a negative progression or Netbetting or a damn near perfect shoe to do well. And you know that I'm not a great fan of negative progressions...LOL

Forget Flat betting or 2Hi...you will buy yourself a mountain of grief

[brad01]

Its damn near perfect though man if it wasn't for those 2's and 3's!

I got to half way thru a shoe today and not 1 x 2 and only a few 3's

I played flat bet and 1,2 progression sometimes (I've been influenced by OZ's posts lately)

I daresay if I had of played it thru to the end there would of been a 2, maybe many and I would of come out either with a real small win or a loser (depend if I obeyed the stop loss)

I think its a real simple system to go to as a default as when your stressed and nothing is working its easy to play and it quite often wins but I think you have to pick and choose your moments and get out when your ahead.

[trbfla]

the queton is how do you resolve te 2s that come in and they will come in groups...bb pp bb p etc

[Guest]

Look guys, before you can select a system you MUST know what each system likes and what it dislikes.

Shoes simply aren't always either TB4L or OTB4L.

Sometimes, in fact quite often, they are S40 or occasionally F.

And sometimes they are simply - bet Repeats or bet Opposites.

Eventually you'll be able to select a system by simply glancing at the tote board or glancing at our short cut method of posting shoes.

But until then, keep a SAP count.

Normal 1's are 1 every 4 plays or 5 per col. of 20 plays

Normal 2s are 1 every 8 plays or 2.5 per col of 20.

Normal 3s are 1 every 16 plays 1.25 per col of 20.

Are you starting to get why I strongly recommend arranging your score card in cols of 20 ?

You don't really need to track anything else:

1's and 2s and 3s tell you everything you need to know for system selection

Basically S40 is your chop system

TB4L is your streak system

OTB4L is your neutral system

and F is your Strong Side system

For regular cards (cards that started out in 8 sealed decks) every shoe you see is going to be high in one of those 3 and low in one of those 3.

THAT is what determines what system you play.

S40 likes high 1's best and high 1's and 2s second best. It dislikes 3 or mores.

OTB4L likes high 2s best and high single 1's and 3s second best. It dislikes long runs of 4 or more either Straight or ZZ.

TB4L likes EVERYTHING a shoe can do but 2s are poison. It particularly likes long runs ST or ZZ but not TT.

So TB4L is your streak system as long as 2s are low - which they usually are in streaky shoes.

You hardly ever see a streaky shoe high in 2s.

But streaky shoes with NO 2s are fairly common. TB4L wins virtually every bet at either the 1 or 2 unit level.

That is when you play TB4L.

You NEVER play TB4L against high 2s unless you plan to bet on the 2s.

But high 2s is OTB4L.

Basically 1's and 2s decide EVERYTHING.

Are 1's occurring more or less than 1 every 4 plays???

Are 2s occurring more or less than 1 every 8 plays ???

Once in a while you get a shoe where 1's and 2s and 3s are running dead normal.

Well guess what? Welcome to Vegas. That's when you play MDB+.

So one of you asked me how to play a shoe that starts out 345???

Good lord man! Can't you see that Repeats are outnumbering Opposites 9 to 2.

Raise your unit and bet Repeats. If you get a ZZ run, switch to TB4L.

Guys, this isn't rocket science. Do what the shoe is telling you to do.

This is exactly why players lose at Baccarat, a 50/50 game, at an incredible rate of 16% on average.

They play dead against what the shoe is telling them expecting some sort of miracle.

Play what the shoe is telling you to play. THAT is the miracle!

"2s that come in groups"??? Good lord man, that is OTB4L - You win every bet!

Edited April 19, 2015 by Ellis

[brad01]

This post should be bookmarked as the refresher page for how to win at NOR

Lets bring back NOR!

[brad01]

Hey packrat - you cant igNOR the facts!

[brad01]

meant for public forum where that packrat member is complaining about the $600 price tag when most other systems cost $25 !!

[Guest]

This post should be bookmarked as the refresher page for how to win at NOR

Lets bring back NOR!

NOR never left but Right, I'm about to start a brand new course for NOR because NOR is the best way to play regular cards. Always has been and always will be. It's also the best way to play the internet.

BTC can't make any money doing this - leaving only two options. Either we have to charge something for this or we have to get new members. But this makes for an ideal time for new members to join the forum. SOO I'd appreciate it if you guys would talk this up on the public forum. Tell those guys lingering around on the public forum that they can't possibly win with the tidbits of info on the public forum. Attempts to do that will get them in deep trouble. You have to understand the overall scheme of things. The game is NOT random. If it were, casino Bac profits would only be 1.25%. But they are 16%! And guys that linger on the public forum are helping the casino get to 16%. If casino profits were limited to commission, there would be no Baccarat. They tamper with the game - Fine, that's how we beat them!

Edited April 19, 2015 by Ellis

[Guest]

meant for public forum where that packrat member is complaining about the $600 price tag when most other systems cost $25 !!

There is no $25 system that works! Our only competitors charge $7000 for a 2 hour seminar, then refuse to answer any questions.

Thousands of man hours go into teaching NOR. Thousands more go into teaching MDB+ and U2Hi.

This packrat guy sounds like he paid $25 for his college degree. Here, you get what you pay for.

This new generation astounds me. They seem to all want a free ride. Welcome to Earth!

Tell him THAT!

[trbfla]

"2s that come in groups"??? Good lord man, that is OTB4L - You win every bet

Yea then they switch to no 2s. Like bb pp bb p b p bbbb p. I'm not saying that 2s will stay, I'm saying 2s come and go so as you switch the otbl.....now the shoe switches.....very few shoes stay the same....it's like the casinos want you to switch to otbl so they switch it again.....

[Guest]

"2s that come in groups"??? Good lord man, that is OTB4L - You win every bet

Yea then they switch to no 2s. Like bb pp bb p b p bbbb p. I'm not saying that 2s will stay, I'm saying 2s come and go so as you switch the otbl.....now the shoe switches.....very few shoes stay the same....it's like the casinos want you to switch to otbl so they switch it again.....

Well right trbfla! That's exactly why NOR has modes - at least OTB4L, S4o and F do. TB4L doesn't need Modes because its already on all runs.

But OTB4L must have a way to go OTR. Since your OR count is + you go OTR on ZZs after 2 losing bets and try to stay OTR for 2 bets.

But against ST runs you are in Mode 3.

Here, I'll play it for you by the book with an U1D2M2 prog as is my custom.

First, here is how you post a shoe or a sequence:

B22211142 - Much quicker and easier for me to transpose. Whoops, I see I added one play by mistake - no matter.

trbfla shoes don't do what YOU want. They do whatever THEY want.

That's why our rules have to cover every eventuality.

Just select the best system and then play it BY THE RULES.

Our rules are very carefully designed.

Just follow them and you will usually win.

After some practice you will virtually always win.

Guys, did I play it by the book - or what?

trbfla, you can't be afraid of 2s. there are 9 of the darn things every shoe on average for crying out loud.

You've got bigger and better things to be afraid of.

Ha, tomorrow we'll throw a 16iar at you and see how you do!

Edited April 19, 2015 by Ellis

[modnar]

Look guys, before you can select a system you MUST know what each system likes and what it dislikes.

Shoes simply aren't always either TB4L or OTB4L.

Sometimes, in fact quite often, they are S40 or occasionally F.

And sometimes they are simply - bet Repeats or bet Opposites.

Eventually you'll be able to select a system by simply glancing at the tote board or glancing at our short cut method of posting shoes.

But until then, keep a SAP count.

Normal 1's are 1 every 4 plays or 5 per col. of 20 plays

Normal 2s are 1 every 8 plays or 2.5 per col of 20.

Normal 3s are 1 every 16 plays 1.25 per col of 20.

Are you starting to get why I strongly recommend arranging your score card in cols of 20 ?

You don't really need to track anything else:

1's and 2s and 3s tell you everything you need to know for system selection

Basically S40 is your chop system

TB4L is your streak system

OTB4L is your neutral system

and F is your Strong Side system

For regular cards (cards that started out in 8 sealed decks) every shoe you see is going to be high in one of those 3 and low in one of those 3.

THAT is what determines what system you play.

S40 likes high 1's best and high 1's and 2s second best. It dislikes 3 or mores.

OTB4L likes high 2s best and high single 1's and 3s second best. It dislikes long runs of 4 or more either Straight or ZZ.

TB4L likes EVERYTHING a shoe can do but 2s are poison. It particularly likes long runs ST or ZZ but not TT.

So TB4L is your streak system as long as 2s are low - which they usually are in streaky shoes.

You hardly ever see a streaky shoe high in 2s.

But streaky shoes with NO 2s are fairly common. TB4L wins virtually every bet at either the 1 or 2 unit level.

That is when you play TB4L.

You NEVER play TB4L against high 2s unless you plan to bet on the 2s.

But high 2s is OTB4L.

Basically 1's and 2s decide EVERYTHING.

Are 1's occurring more or less than 1 every 4 plays???

Are 2s occurring more or less than 1 every 8 plays ???

Once in a while you get a shoe where 1's and 2s and 3s are running dead normal.

Well guess what? Welcome to Vegas. That's when you play MDB+.

So one of you asked me how to play a shoe that starts out 345???

Good lord man! Can't you see that Repeats are outnumbering Opposites 9 to 2.

Raise your unit and bet Repeats. If you get a ZZ run, switch to TB4L.

Guys, this isn't rocket science. Do what the shoe is telling you to do.

This is exactly why players lose at Baccarat, a 50/50 game, at an incredible rate of 16% on average.

They play dead against what the shoe is telling them expecting some sort of miracle.

Play what the shoe is telling you to play. THAT is the miracle!

"2s that come in groups"??? Good lord man, that is OTB4L - You win every bet!

I understand all that. my questions is: once you are on TBL( lets say no 2s in first 12 plays) since there are no modes on TBL , when I switch to OTBL, Repeats , or whatever is happening in the shoe at the time? After 2 losses otr? 3 losses otr ? 2 losses otr & 1 paper bet to see if TBL is coming back?

All I need is the sign.