how to beat this shoes

[djricardo]

Wow William, this looks like a designer shoe. It sounds like Genting highland might be 6 deck???

I don't know of any card Manufacturers that offer 6 deck preshuffled so I'm guessing regular cards.

Also since this shoe is so extremely biased toward TB4L, I'm guessing the prior shoes also favored TB4L.

Hi Ellis, what we're getting in Malaysia's Casino is different compare to Singapore's Casino. Malaysia is neighboring country of Singapore. In Malaysia Genting Highland Casino has few backrooms in the casino where they shuffle their cards backdoor. Then they bring out their cards in paper box bundle to use at the Baccarat tables with shuffle machine. For low limit no touch tables they use TWO sets of color for the cards and they reuse throughout the day once they send it to the table. Every table's standard play is the dealer burn each card before a hand dealt hence we're getting 53 hands to 62 hands. Except for high limit touch

game as they use up all the cards in the shoe.

All sort of shoe patterns we're getting here. Mostly are mix hybrid of OTB4L, S40, F, short bias and random. In 30 tables, we might find 1 highly bias shoe. Some shoe is NOR friendly and some shoe is MDB+ friendly which in other word is NOR unfriendly and MDB+ unfriendly. We have 1 section of old casino with around 30 tables and a new section of new casino with 30 tables.

[Guest]

thanks very much, I should put in tb4l as my tool to beat the casino. this is another one of Genting shoe.

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total 54 hands

OK William. I don't want to give you the impression that they will ALL be TB4L

But this is another H1 1's with Hi 3+s and therefore TB4L.

It is also another Lo 2s which also makes it TB4L

2s is usually the nemisis of TB4L.

BUT, you'll find that U1D2 betting usually gets you thru the 2s in good shape.

[Guest]

Hi Ellis, what we're getting in Malaysia's Casino is different compare to Singapore's Casino. Malaysia is neighboring country of Singapore. In Malaysia Genting Highland Casino has few backrooms in the casino where they shuffle their cards backdoor. Then they bring out their cards in paper box bundle to use at the Baccarat tables with shuffle machine. For low limit no touch tables they use TWO sets of color for the cards and they reuse throughout the day once they send it to the table. Every table's standard play is the dealer burn each card before a hand dealt hence we're getting 53 hands to 62 hands. Except for high limit touch

game as they use up all the cards in the shoe.

All sort of shoe patterns we're getting here. Mostly are mix hybrid of OTB4L, S40, F, short bias and random. In 30 tables, we might find 1 highly bias shoe. Some shoe is NOR friendly and some shoe is MDB+ friendly which in other word is NOR unfriendly and MDB+ unfriendly. We have 1 section of old casino with around 30 tables and a new section of new casino with 30 tables.

OK great explanation DJ! So we have 8 deck, casino prepped, regular cards - a red shoe and a blue shoe - also common in the US.

However burning a card evey hand would be highly illegal in the US.

First, I would check for color to color consistency: Is the red deck doing what it did last time? It the blue deck...

You are going to need to know BOTH NOR and MDB+ thoroughly.

I would highly recommend doing a SAP count and then going by the System Selection table:

Hi 1's with all else Lo = S40

Hi 1's with Hi 2s = S40

Hi 1's with Hi 3+s (3 or mores) = TB4L

Lo 1's = Repeats

Hi 2s = OTB4L

Hi 2s and 3+s = OTB4L

Lo 2s = TB4L

Hi 3+s = TB4L

None of the above is MDB+ (all SAP counts running near equal)

[douglasb53]

Excited about the new manual! Count me in.

[Guest]

Excited about the new manual! Count me in.

OK douglas. I'll start a list of member buyers on the public forum that I can keep updated.

Remember, I'm going to need your mailing addresses.

I'm trying to think of a good introduction to the new manual I can put on the public forum.

Ha, but I haven't had my sales hat on in a long time and I'm not sure it even fits anymore.

But YOU make a perfect example of what I'm trying to say.

You are trying to glean what's important out of litterally thousands of disorganized pages

with no way to distinguish what is important vs what isn't,

What is fact and what is opinion.

How to apply what you've read to real play in a real casino in real time with real money

And come out ahead most every time.

While IF you had a hard cover manual boiled down to about 100 looseleaf

organized pages (about the size of a 300 page book)

with a glossary of definitions and drawn out score card examples

How to "case" a casino and know what system to play and how to bet it BEFORE you sit down

How to think and react like a professional,

know when to quit

If you had ALL of that information in ONE condenced place,

You wouldn't be asking the questions you are asking.

You would already KNOW!

The problem is: forums are great, they are interesting, they are fun.

But by their very nature - they are NOT a good teaching platform.

They are TOO FREAKING LONG!

What is really needed IS:

A hundred pages I'm guessing.

ANYBODY can learn a hundred pages backwards and forward

but NOBODY can learn the same thing from thousands of disorganized pages with no examples.

They need a short, organized, all inclusive book! Something they can hold in their hand

and study in their spare time.

Hell, I'm the fastest card counter in the world and I learned how by keeping a deck of cards in my bathroom!

If you catch my drift.

Many right here on the forum have said "This forum needs to be organized!" AND they are RIGHT!

But that's an impossible task within my lifetime - hell, anybody's!

Better, easier, faster and clearer to start from scratch.

There are 5 systems that soundly beat every regular cards shoe ever dealt

Ha, even if they burn a card every hand.

And there are 2 systems that soundly beat factory cards.

BUT, where the hell are they?

Where are the examples?

How do you play them correctly?

And the most important - How do you know which one to play?

I can't even find those all important items on the forum and I wrote the forum.

HOW, in God's name, can YOU be expected to.

BUT, I need everyone's help.

I'm a great math guy; I know my stuff.

But I couldn't sell a glass of water in the middle of the Sahara.

You guys know me but the general public DOESN'T!

Here's what they want to know...

1.) Is this guy for real or is he just another hussler? Like so many others on the internet.

2.) Can he teach ME how to actually win at Baccarat.

That's it! That's all they want to know.

The price is right - given what you can win playing my way!

Guys, I need testimonials from all of you!

THAT'S what the public wants to see. Quick and to the point.

I'll construct a place for them on the public forum.

where my Introduction to this LAST WORD manual will be.

Thanks in advance! Oh and thanks for all the shoes!

Maybe later I can put them all on score cards for a practice book???

As for the Last Word Manual-

I'll do the best job for you I possibly can!

Edited June 15, 2015 by Ellis

[TheOne]

I can give a great testimonial

[ECD]

Ellis don't you mean using U1D2"M2" (not just U1M2) in TB4L for getting thru the sporadic 2s? You need to make more on the 1s and runs,to be strong enough to handle the sporadic 2s.Right?

CT70

[Guest]

Ellis don't you mean using U1D2"M2" (not just U1M2) in TB4L for getting thru the sporadic 2s? You need to make more on the 1s and runs,to be strong enough to handle the sporadic 2s.Right?

CT70

Hi CT! When playing regular cards I nearly always bet U1D2 because I know my system selection skills and table selection skills

support U1D2 which makes about twice as much money as 123 4. My goal is +20 or +21, whichever I hit.

Then I use M2 like an after burner. I apply it when all is going well but I can turn it off in tight spots.

[hxfzlm]

Guys, I'm going to put up a thread on the Public forum called "Baccarat - The Final Word" manual,

Where I can be sure I'm talking to everyone.

Everything I say will be valid for you members too

except the price.

For you guys the price is $500. You could call that an early bird special. I'll lock in all private members who siged up already or who sign up in the near future.

But once I'm ready to ship, I'll raise the member price to $600.

But for the public it will be higher, I don't know, what do you guys think?

$750? $1000?

If we were back in the '90s I'd say $3000 and actually get it by the hundreds.

But ordinary people had money back then.

Today - not so much.

Hi Ellis,

A complete version of NOR manual!! That is great.

Count me in please.

Thanks

[hxfzlm]

Thanks LOU! Not big. I'm thinking if I had 40 or so assorted on line games

just in our short cut fashion, I could see what I need to know.

In fact, If I could get them in PB fashiom that would be even better. you know, like PP BBB P B P BBB and so forth.

I mean, the more the better.

I'll test this system against all I get.

I've found that after 40 assorted test shoes, statistics don't change much.

By "assorted" I mean I don't want 40 shoes that came out of a casino one after the other.

It would be better if they were different casinos played on different days at different times.

But, I'll take whatever you've got.

Hi,

I have plenty of Online Shoes from 5Dimes, (6 Decks regular cards, burn 11 cards at the end and 7 cards at the beginning).

If you need some sample shoes from 5 Dimes, let me know.

[tsenks]

E. Clifton Davis said:

Guys, I'm going to put up a thread on the Public forum called "Baccarat - The Final Word" manual,

Where I can be sure I'm talking to everyone.

Everything I say will be valid for you members too

except the price.

For you guys the price is $500. You could call that an early bird special. I'll lock in all private members who siged up already or who sign up in the near future.

But once I'm ready to ship, I'll raise the member price to $600.

But for the public it will be higher, I don't know, what do you guys think?

$750? $1000?

If we were back in the '90s I'd say $3000 and actually get it by the hundreds.

But ordinary people had money back then.

Today - not so much.

Hi Ellis

Another charge from you?

Tsen

[Veko1]

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Here is how I would have played it following NOR rules don't switch modes once you have made your choice unless you see good reason - start out slow - don't bet until you win a first, don't bet a 2 until you win a 1 or second bet, don't bet a 3rd until you have won a second or 3rd bet - if 3 losses or so go back to imaginary and reassess - don't keep playing and then complain NOR doesn't work

But when you see a good first hot rate and you are playing at 0 or with casinos money don't be scared to go for it - UID2M2 will get you through IF

Hello Brad,

Always very interesting post, but I have some questions for you concerning your sheet

play 10 : why you write M2 but go OTR after 3 losing bets

play 13 : you start betting, do you always start betting after you see that you would virtually have won a OTR bet ? What if it's Mode 3, you can wait all the shoe without being able to get in ?

play 18 :do you take into account you theoretical score for your stop wins/losses (imaginary bets)

play 28 : why do you bet 0 ?

play40 you go OTR for the 2nd time and you lose, and you say you bet opposites but you bet repeat. Should I understand that u bet opposite of the last where you bet ? but it's illogical bc that would mean that we are S40 betting on repeats ?

Play 56, why you bet 1 and not 3 ?

[brad01]

I will have a look and get back to you. One thing i will say is my style of play changes with the type of shoes im playing currently. At moment im playing auto shufflers so probably focused differently to when i wrote that post. But like i said will go back and check. Kind of like accents. English is english but we aussies cant understand americans sometimes and they cant understand us. Also british are hard to understand too sometimes and irish same but its all english. Americans say sofa we say lounge. Americans say gas we say fuel. Kind of same with nor . Many ways to play the approach but its still nor

[William Looi]

I got a shoe maybe someone give idea how to beat this one P 33141223311434161113512211

[brad01]

Cant upload any more pics at moment as exceeded quota

Send me your email and I will send you the exel jpeg file how I played it but in short:

I scored +25 using half decade rule to quit in last column when I hit +25 second time

I used TB4L to play through and that decision was based on the 2 x 3's and then the 1 at the start if the shoe - NOT BY LOOKING AT THE SHOE FIRST.

I used a U1D1M2 progression as that is my preferred at the moment

When there was a 2 followed by 3 wins iar of OTBL I play OTBL till a loss

I do this as I believe when a shoe is TB4L it will at some point switch to OTBL temporarily at least and when that happens I like to follow OTBL till a loss.

This is based on the system called 'A simple million dollar system' which is in MDB forum - it uses triggers to switch between OTBL / TB4L - you can make your own up which is what I have done.

The only thing to beat TB4L is 2's but 2's are second most common event. I'm not crazy about TB4L but I admit it has its place

I keep a total of 2's per column and running total - if the 2's are not far below their normal mathematical occurrence then I will not play OTBL or abandon it.

2's occur 1 every 8 plays statistically - do the maths and the 2's in this shoe are only about half their normal occurrence - good for OTBL.

I would have won a few MDB+ bets here based on my extended triggers for roulette and biased shoes.

Just guessing William is this shoe from online hand shuffled?

I would bet it is.

[brad01]

Veko1 I will reply to you soon.

Remembering the past for me at the moment will take too much energy but I'll get there

[William Looi]

it is not hand shuffle machine shuffle

[Baccarat A]

I got a shoe maybe someone give idea how to beat this one P 33141223311434161113512211

Try playing the shoe with straight repeats starting at play 3 and suspend betting when you see a zz4 (1,1). Continue when you see an unconfirmed 2iar. It plays very well with u1d2 and reasonably well with 3hi.

[ECD]

TB4L would have worked also. After seeing the first 2 3 iars, I would have jumped in.

CT70

[ECD]

Hey B,

Do you mean U1D2M2? or just U1D2?

And do you ever make a 3 unit bet?

Thx CT70

[Wendel]

I got a shoe maybe someone give idea how to beat this one P 33141223311434161113512211

I think that if you played it with OTB4L Mode 3 from the beginning or more realistically after the 331 , you would get beyond +10

(NOR stop win) without taking any liberties, before you would be forced to quit or get creative..

But the next shoe might not play as well with OTB4L mode 3.

[Baccarat A]

CT70

U1D2 is the way I played it. You can try M2 and see how it goes.