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William Looi

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Short term NOR betting first 2 bets after trigger:

1. 4 - repeat = Lw

2. 42 - repeat = Lw

3. 22 - OTBL - ww

4. 4 - repeat - ww

5. 2111 - S40 - Lw

6. 212 - OTBL - ww

 7. - 33 - repeat - Lw

8. - 32 - OTBL - ww

12W / 4L = +8

MDB+ with 1,2,2 progression

4 x multiples in a row with no single = bet next potential 1 stay 1 = Lw

2 x 4ZZ with no 3ZZ / bet 3ZZ stays 3 ZZ = Lw

4 x 2iar's with no 3iar / bet 2 goes 3 = w

2 x 3iar with no 2iar / bet 2 stay 2 = w

+4

SAP Bets after hand 26:

1 2 3 4+  {  2 3 4 5+

5 8 4 8       4 0 2 0

Bet 2's stay 2 and 3's go 4 = wwLLLLw = -1

Bet 2ZZ stay 2ZZ and 3ZZ go 4 ZZ = LwLLwwww = +3

 

Total units = +14  

 

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I guess some bets may conflict so you would have to not bet or pick which you were most confident with.

The point is all 3 approaches can win at the same time.

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Short term NOR:

1.   312 = SS = wL

2. 3131 = s40m1 = wL

3. 32 = OTBL = Lw

4. 22 = OTBL = ww

5. 1111 = S40 = LL

6. 31113 = S40m1 = ww

7. 4 = repeat = Lw

8. 2111 = S40 = ww

9. 4 = repeat = wL

10. 11511 = S40m1 = Lw

12W / 4L = +4

MDB+

2 x 3iar with no 2 = w

don't take 3 goes 4 as no higher event yet

+1

 

 

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Keith Smith
On ‎2‎/‎4‎/‎2016 at 7:41 AM, William Looi said:

Today  shoe   P13131131132171211   it is low 2s  SAP 1s 11, 2s  4, 3s  16  , 4s  4   so this shoe is low in 2s,  I use TB4L flat bet  and win  3 unites

 

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I think we over analysis when you see repeats ahead you should play a repeat strategy that capitalizes on it as fast and aggressively that is reasonable.  Everyone seems to ignore this strategy because we are so indoctrinated to up as you lose.  The losses are minimal and you tend to either hover around zero with that strategy approach or you get a few ahead only to make a small gain of +5 and then lose it when you lose a progression. 

 

If there is reason to believe that one or other approach is beating a game, you need to bet it up as you win or at least bet more when you think the event will occur and have evidence it does. 

 

 

Here is how 2.2.1 played the game and the other game you posted. The biggest bet was 9 and we have a +7 and a +12 game.

 

 

 

 

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Great example of the 2.2.1 Keith.  Every shoe I add to the stats for profit, I run the 2.2.1 betting on it, and it is amazing how well it does in a repeat type shoe.  Thanks for sharing it.  

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the only problem I would have with 221 would be size of bets called for.

Its a little bulldozer like in that it relies a series of wins to cancel out previous losses

But if the stats show you come out ahead all the time then who can argue?

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Brad, have you experimented more with either one or two bets after the triggers win or lose? I can see you played William's shoe in this thread with two bets win or lose. Can you see any difference result-wise? A confirmation what works best before we go to two bets in a row instead of one?

Thanks 

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Hi Fred,

At the moment I am just playing 1 bet after trigger but recording the second.

I am trying to see if the first bet after the trigger has terrible results then I will bet for the second instead.

If they both have reasonable results then I will bet on both.

What I found so far is the following:

The first bets are pretty good - better than 50% I believe but of course not always - like any strategy there are times when t doesn't perform as well as we'd like BUT I have never seen it do really badly and at worst be down 1 or 2 units or break even. More often than not it wins on balance averaging a few unit.

The second bet is usually also pretty good. I would nearly say bet on both but I don't quite have enough results yet.

Last night I tested a shoe that was like:

ww

Lw

Lw

LL

Lw

wL

ww

Lw

The first bet broke even

The second bet won on balance

But betting on both won on balance too

 

I will let you know any updates but at this moment I would say betting on 2 bets is just as good.

I record like this

OTBL 22 wL (7)

what that means is OTBL trigger (you don't have to record that if you don't want once you memorise the triggers

22 is the actual trigger

wL is the first and second trigger results

(7) is the number of plays the bias lasted for.

Example of this:

PPBB - that's the trigger - its a 22 with an UNCONFIRMED 2 (I WILL PUT EXPLANATION OF THIS ON LAST 3 EVENTS METHOD POST)

PPBB - this gives 3 wins in a row for OTBL bias - www - so we bet next result is OTBL which would be P

The whole sequence will be:

PPBBPBBPBP - THIS WILL PRODUCE - WWW(WL)WWLL - THE FIRST 3 WINS ARE THE TRIGGER THEN THE 2 RESULTS IN BRACKETS ARE THE FIRST AND SECOND WINS AFTER THE TRIGGER AND THEN I RECORD THE REST OF THE WINS UNTIL 2 LOSSES AS 2 LOSSES IS A TRIGGER TO END WHEN FLAT BETTING AND THATS WHAT THIS METHOD IS BASED AROUND

SO YOU CAN SEE THERE IS 7 PLAYS OF OTBL BIAS

SO THE RESULT IS RECORDED AGAIN AS:

OTBL 22 WL (7)

NOW IF YOU RECORD THE LENGTH OF THE BIASES YOU WILL SEE THAT THERE WILL BE AT LEAST 1 LONG BIAS PER SHOE OF 15 PLAYS OR MORE

IF YOU GET 2 OR 3 SHORT BiASES OF 7 - 10 PLAYS YOU COULD REASONABLY PREDICT A LONG ONE IS COMING

THIS IS WHAT I'M TRING TO DO TO PREDICT THAT AND BET AN UP AS YOU WIN ON THAT ONE SO WE CAN NET A 1,2 OR A 1,2,2, OR A 1,2,3, OR A 1,2,4 IF YOU WANT

OR FLAT BET UNTIL 3 LOSSES

Keeping a SAP count also helps to predict results and when to take or not take triggers

I also find it tells you the tendency of the shoe to either equalise a SAP count or to stretch a SAP count wider

Short term NOR is obviously better when SAP count is widening

MDB+ is generally better when a SAP count equalises or you see 'chaos'

NTR said he also finds a SAP count beneficial to his MDB+ play in that a equalising SAP count will mean original MDB+ triggers will probably be best.

Sometimes you will see a really strong bias and in that case NOR in original form works better and its much simpler to play

EG when you see 1's and 2's that are strong with a few 3's and nothing past a 3 then you may want to consider dropping everything and applying a 1,2,2 progression with S40M3

I will be sure to update you on the progress of this but I believe we have all bases covered now with short term NOR for constantly changing biases, MDB+ for 'chaos' or minimal biases, and standard NOR when a SAP count shows the bias is so strong and consistent that all you need to do is select a mode and play it through.

I really don't see any other possibilities for shoe characteristics.

I usually find a SAP count will either equalise or it wont and if you can determine that then you will know what to play.

 

 

 

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On ‎1‎/‎21‎/‎2016 at 3:43 AM, brad01 said:

B113233222211241124362321115111

32 = OTBL = win

323 = OTBL again = win

33 = Repeat = loss

32 = OTBL = win

Strong OTBL bias (3 of 4 wins)

Go OTBL till 2 losses

wwwwwLL

5 wins / 2 loss = +3 on the run

24 = repeat = loss (thinking about taking this one out as not getting results I want - maybe only use 34, 43, 33)

24 = repeat = win (maybe not - 50% win so far this shoe)

43 = repeat = win

36 (trigger at 33) = win - that's 3 repeat wins in a row - go repeat till 2 losses

wwLwLwwLwLL = +2 on the run

1115 (trigger at 1113 as strong repeat / OTBL / 2's clumping followed by S40M1 trigger)

+8 and showing strong bias in shoe

Go 1,2 progression till loss of progression

wLww = +4 on the run S40M1 using 1,2 progression

score = +12

THIS HAS NOT BEEN PLAYED THROUGH CHOOSING TRIGGERS AFTER I HAVE SEEN THE SHOE IT USES THE SAME SET UP TRIGGERS AND BETS FLAT BET WIN OR LOSS AND MOVES ON

IT IS PRETTY MECHANICAL 

IF STRONG BIAS (2 OR 3 CONSECUTIVE WINS ON SAME BIAS) THEN CAN GO ON THE RUN FLAT BET TO CAPITALISE ON LONG BIAS UNTIL 2 LOSSES

IF FAR AHEAD AND BIASES STILL STRONG / LONG CAN SWITCH TO 1,2 UP AS LOSE OR 1,2 LOOP TILL LOSE PROGRESSION TO FURTHER CAPITALISE.

STOP LOSS -5

 

 

Brad, I am confused about the second 24 triggers (repeat) that you indicate is a winner, but the next hand switches sides resulting is a loss, am I following this trigger correctly??

I have been trying to follow and understand these triggers, please clarify those  specific trigger  in the shoe if I am not correct. 

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what you are saying is correct.

243 loses first bet after trigger but wins second.

with 1,2 progression LW result wins. not sure if this is what I meant.

will post all triggers on scoresheet this weekend

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On ‎2‎/‎26‎/‎2016 at 5:08 PM, brad01 said:

what you are saying is correct.

243 loses first bet after trigger but wins second.

with 1,2 progression LW result wins. not sure if this is what I meant.

will post all triggers on scoresheet this weekend

Brad, I was looking at the 24 as a flat bet , however if using a 1 2 progression  I completely follow your winning triggers under these conditions.

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The triggers don't do too bad.

I believe better than 50/50

I have not had access to scanner over weekend to post the rest

If selective about which ones to take and when to use 1,2 then you can stay ahead.

 

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bryfromtheharbor

Thanks for the input here Brad.  I have used this your short NOR triggers with some success so far.  I made a note card sized cheat sheet with your triggers on one side and the Way2fast MDB triggers on the other side.  Then I laminated it with some packing tape and have really held my own.  Golden Nugget Lake Charles and Lauberge use factory shuffled and are very tough random type shoes.  The Isle of Capris (pile of debris) is hand washed then into a machine.  I killed a OTB4L section at The Pile of Debris.  Slugged out +1 unit at GN forgoing the NOR and only used Way2fast triggers to get back to even and then +1.  At Lauberge I became very selective in my Short NOR and mainly used the MDB Triggers after I inquired about the shuffle. I ended up +11 in two shoes on the second shoe a TBL section showed up and I was able to play it well.

I'm practicing 5D and I have a ways to go before it comes natural.  My trigger card has enabled me to go right to the table and win while I polish the next evolution in my Bacc game.

Thanks guys

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Thanks for the feedback

Yeah the triggers are purely based 3 wins in a row or 3 of 4 etc for a particular bias and so we are assuming that shoes will change bias regularly but if a sequence is winning 3 iar or 3 of 4 it should be able to win 1 or 2 more (hopefully!)

Of course you cant beat the maths of the game and being selective in when you take which triggers will increase hit rate.

Then there is major trends in shoes in which they will have a tendency to go longer on certain biases and keep going back to certain biases

If you can pick that and use the short term trigger to tell you when the major trend is coming back that is truly powerful

You can go OTR until 2 or 3 losses too if you think it will sustain - get a TBL / S40M1 bias that goes for 30 hands without 3 consecutive OTBL results and you really clean up

Same goes for other biases just S40M1 seems to go longer in general (ask Pando)

 

 

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On 1/18/2016 at 10:24 PM, Guest said:

Hi William - we have not spoken in a long time --- I think you took the NOR Boot Camp a while ago -- if not, check it out this week. I agree with Avion, use some of the sites with free bac such as Wizardofodds or Baccaratonnet, and practice. I also have some additional training materials that may be helpful. Send me an email and I will send them to you. But practice on the free sites until you are comfortable making decisions and winning consistently. Also, the SAP count is a very good thing to use to keep you on track.

Let me know if I can help!

Steve

Hi Steve

I am newbie in the forum And practicing myself at home. I am trying to understand how to do SAP count but quite confused, would you send me an info? Appreciate it

Thanks

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