baccarat Studying a method that can work in any 50/50 game

[ECD]

On 12/14/2016 at 0:40 AM, JMoney45 said:

For today, I'm going to show you my method going to work on Keith's latest video on Shoe of the Week.

If you have not seen that video yet, you can watch it below.

With that being said, My results are in the attachments.
 

 

 

 

 

I thought this shoe looked familiar...and now I know the reason...

I checked my records and this is an actual shoe that I played in a "REAL" Casino with all the pressures associated with playing with real money hand by hand as distinct from playing a shoe on paper when you can see the whole shoe in front of you. I sent this shoe to a few BTC Members and someone obviously chose to post it on "Stats To Win"

FIRSTLY...This is a PISS EASY shoe...Just about any Private Member of BTC beats this shoe playing OTB4L as a Mechanical System...but I don't play that way...I prefer to "Follow the Shoe" and let the Shoe dictate to me when and if  I should bet and how much I should bet. 

I mostly play with larger units but I chose to play this particular shoe with $500 units.

I Flatbet single units and doubled my unit size when single side SAP agreed with my proposed bet once my score was positive. 

Let's compare what I actually did with your suggested Play using your negative progression...

For the purpose of the exercise, let's assume that you are using $500 units as well.

I use a STOP/LOSS of -3 units($1500) which using Norm's 10% of Bankroll rule, I require a Bankroll of a mere $15K to play with $500 units (10% of $15K = $1500 divided by my S/L of -3 = $500) 

YOU: Bankroll required to play $500 units = 2400x $500 = $1.2million

ME: Bankroll required = $15,000

 

YOU: Units won = 25 units x $500 =$12,500

ME: Units won = 33 units x $500 = $16,500

 

Number of Bets made...

YOU = 55

ME = 39

Bets WON

YOU = 28

ME = 29

Bets Lost

YOU = 27

ME = 10

Units Bet...Risk

YOU = 402 = $201K

ME = 69 = $34,500

Hit Rate

YOU = 51%

ME = 74%

Player Advantage 

YOU = 6%

ME = 48%

Highest bet made

YOU = 24 units x $500 = $12,000

ME = 2 units = $1,000 (but only if my score is positive otherwise $500)

Lowest point of the shoe

YOU = -21 Units = -$10,500

ME = -1 unit =-$500 

 

NOW...Do you see what I'm talking about?

I'm not posting this to brag but in an effort to dissuade any of the intellectually impaired who might think that what you do can possibly work long term...because it won't. The RISK V REWARD just doesn't stand up to scrutiny...and also...Because I am a "People" Person by nature, I haven't given up hope that I may yet steer you away from the forces of "THE DARK SIDE". 

Anyway...My work here is done...After this post nobody with any detectable signs of alpha- brain wave activity is gonna be the slightest bit interested in your HIGH RISK/SMALL REWARD strategy. 

I'm guessing that you will totally ignore what I've said, but I have two further words of advice for you...

PLEASE cease and desist keeping score on used lunch wrappers and FFS!!!...GO AND BUY YOURSELF A FREAKING RULER

 

OK...I lied about me being a "People Person"...but I'm working on it.

Edited December 19, 2016 by ECD

[ECD]

I also note that you are prepared to go to -400 units as your STOP/LOSS

 

400 units x $500 = -$200K STOP/LOSS...Seriously???

 

A former BTC Legend ...One of the best Baccarat Players there has ever been called me "INSANE" once for making a 7 unit bet...I can't help but wonder what he would say to you...LOL

[ECD]

2 hours ago, ozscouser1 said:

I thought this shoe looked familiar...and now I know the reason...

I checked my records and this is an actual shoe that I played in a "REAL" Casino with all the pressures associated with playing with real money hand by hand as distinct from playing a shoe on paper when you can see the whole shoe in front of you. I sent this shoe to a few BTC Members and someone obviously chose to post it on "Stats To Win"

FIRSTLY...This is a PISS EASY shoe...Just about any Private Member of BTC beats this shoe playing OTB4L as a Mechanical System...but I don't play that way...I prefer to "Follow the Shoe" and let the Shoe dictate to me when and if  I should bet and how much I should buet. 

I mostly play with larger units but I chose to play this particular shoe with $500 units.

I Flatbet single units and doubled my unit size when single side SAP agreed with my proposed bet once my score was positive. 

Let's compare what I actually did with your suggested Play using your negative progression...

For the purpose of the exercise, let's assume that you are using $500 units as well.

I use a STOP/LOSS of -3 units($1500) which using Norm's 10% of Bankroll rule, I require a Bankroll of a mere $15K to play with $500 units (10% of $15K = $1500 divided by my S/L of -3 = $500) 

YOU: Bankroll required to play $500 units = 2400x $500 = $1.2million

ME: Bankroll required = $15,000

 

YOU: Units won = 25 units x $500 =$12,500

ME: Units won = 33 units x $500 = $16,500

 

Number of Bets made...

YOU = 55

ME = 39

Bets WON

YOU = 28

ME = 29

Bets Lost

YOU = 27

ME = 10

Units Bet...Risk

YOU = 402 = $201K

ME = 69 = $34,500

Hit Rate

YOU = 51%

ME = 74%

Player Advantage 

YOU = 6%

ME = 48%

Highest bet made

YOU = 24 units x $500 = $12,000

ME = 2 units = $1,000 (but only if my score is positive otherwise $500)

Lowest point of the shoe

YOU = -21 Units = -$10,500

ME = -1 unit =-$500 

 

NOW...Do you see what I'm talking about?

I'm not posting this to brag but in an effort to dissuade any of the intellectually impaired who might think that what you do can possibly work long term...because it won't. The RISK V REWARD just doesn't stand up to scrutiny...and also...Because I am a "People" Person by nature, I haven't given up hope that I may yet steer you away from the forces of "THE DARK SIDE". 

Anyway...My work here is done...After this post nobody with any detectable signs of alpha- brain wave activity is gonna be the slightest bit interested in your HIGH RISK/SMALL REWARD strategy. 

I'm guessing that you will totally ignore what I've said, but I have two further words of advice for you...

PLEASE cease and desist keeping score on used lunch wrappers and FFS!!!...GO AND BUY YOURSELF A FREAKING RULER

 

OK...I lied about me being a "People Person"...but I'm working on it.

Very good analysis! 

I like the -3 stop loss!

 

Edited December 19, 2016 by ECD

[Mr.O]

4 hours ago, ozscouser1 said:

I thought this shoe looked familiar...and now I know the reason...

I checked my records and this is an actual shoe that I played in a "REAL" Casino with all the pressures associated with playing with real money hand by hand as distinct from playing a shoe on paper when you can see the whole shoe in front of you. I sent this shoe to a few BTC Members and someone obviously chose to post it on "Stats To Win"

FIRSTLY...This is a PISS EASY shoe...Just about any Private Member of BTC beats this shoe playing OTB4L as a Mechanical System...but I don't play that way...I prefer to "Follow the Shoe" and let the Shoe dictate to me when and if  I should bet and how much I should bet. 

I mostly play with larger units but I chose to play this particular shoe with $500 units.

I Flatbet single units and doubled my unit size when single side SAP agreed with my proposed bet once my score was positive. 

Let's compare what I actually did with your suggested Play using your negative progression...

For the purpose of the exercise, let's assume that you are using $500 units as well.

I use a STOP/LOSS of -3 units($1500) which using Norm's 10% of Bankroll rule, I require a Bankroll of a mere $15K to play with $500 units (10% of $15K = $1500 divided by my S/L of -3 = $500) 

YOU: Bankroll required to play $500 units = 2400x $500 = $1.2million

ME: Bankroll required = $15,000

 

YOU: Units won = 25 units x $500 =$12,500

ME: Units won = 33 units x $500 = $16,500

 

Number of Bets made...

YOU = 55

ME = 39

Bets WON

YOU = 28

ME = 29

Bets Lost

YOU = 27

ME = 10

Units Bet...Risk

YOU = 402 = $201K

ME = 69 = $34,500

Hit Rate

YOU = 51%

ME = 74%

Player Advantage 

YOU = 6%

ME = 48%

Highest bet made

YOU = 24 units x $500 = $12,000

ME = 2 units = $1,000 (but only if my score is positive otherwise $500)

Lowest point of the shoe

YOU = -21 Units = -$10,500

ME = -1 unit =-$500 

 

NOW...Do you see what I'm talking about?

I'm not posting this to brag but in an effort to dissuade any of the intellectually impaired who might think that what you do can possibly work long term...because it won't. The RISK V REWARD just doesn't stand up to scrutiny...and also...Because I am a "People" Person by nature, I haven't given up hope that I may yet steer you away from the forces of "THE DARK SIDE". 

Anyway...My work here is done...After this post nobody with any detectable signs of alpha- brain wave activity is gonna be the slightest bit interested in your HIGH RISK/SMALL REWARD strategy. 

I'm guessing that you will totally ignore what I've said, but I have two further words of advice for you...

PLEASE cease and desist keeping score on used lunch wrappers and FFS!!!...GO AND BUY YOURSELF A FREAKING RULER

 

OK...I lied about me being a "People Person"...but I'm working on it.

Oz

Can you post this shoe in private section how did you played it.

Thank you

[William Looi]

17 hours ago, JMoney45 said:

For number #1 I'm not a kid. And #2, you got it all wrong. You do not even know the full purpose of my method. It's selfish people like you who give people who are trying to make a difference like myself a bad name. You don't think I have done my research too? Understanding how successful gambler's work their money in a casino? Well I have done my research ever since I was a kid. My family were gamblers too and they would lose all the time. And I learned from their mistakes. Then the next thing you know, I created an idea. An idea that can turn a big enough bankroll with small bets into a much bigger bankroll and eventually work up to $100 chips. See...that's the difference between you and me. You have been money hungry all your life. I'm all about being able to turn a 9-5 weekly paycheck into a daily paycheck. That's my goal.

So I ask you again, please show some respect. If you don't like it, then that's your problem.

You understand how gambler life ,losing and keep on losing and losing until to the end , and you have compassion on them because you know most of them are loser therefore you are willing to help any player or gambler so that you do not lose too much. Your heart is good and may God give you wisdom to do better. Your method may not be the best and practical , but you have the heart to help others without selfishness.  

[JMoney45]

12 hours ago, ozscouser1 said:

I thought this shoe looked familiar...and now I know the reason...

I checked my records and this is an actual shoe that I played in a "REAL" Casino with all the pressures associated with playing with real money hand by hand as distinct from playing a shoe on paper when you can see the whole shoe in front of you. I sent this shoe to a few BTC Members and someone obviously chose to post it on "Stats To Win"

FIRSTLY...This is a PISS EASY shoe...Just about any Private Member of BTC beats this shoe playing OTB4L as a Mechanical System...but I don't play that way...I prefer to "Follow the Shoe" and let the Shoe dictate to me when and if  I should bet and how much I should bet. 

I mostly play with larger units but I chose to play this particular shoe with $500 units.

I Flatbet single units and doubled my unit size when single side SAP agreed with my proposed bet once my score was positive. 

Let's compare what I actually did with your suggested Play using your negative progression...

For the purpose of the exercise, let's assume that you are using $500 units as well.

I use a STOP/LOSS of -3 units($1500) which using Norm's 10% of Bankroll rule, I require a Bankroll of a mere $15K to play with $500 units (10% of $15K = $1500 divided by my S/L of -3 = $500) 

YOU: Bankroll required to play $500 units = 2400x $500 = $1.2million

ME: Bankroll required = $15,000

 

YOU: Units won = 25 units x $500 =$12,500

ME: Units won = 33 units x $500 = $16,500

 

Number of Bets made...

YOU = 55

ME = 39

Bets WON

YOU = 28

ME = 29

Bets Lost

YOU = 27

ME = 10

Units Bet...Risk

YOU = 402 = $201K

ME = 69 = $34,500

Hit Rate

YOU = 51%

ME = 74%

Player Advantage 

YOU = 6%

ME = 48%

Highest bet made

YOU = 24 units x $500 = $12,000

ME = 2 units = $1,000 (but only if my score is positive otherwise $500)

Lowest point of the shoe

YOU = -21 Units = -$10,500

ME = -1 unit =-$500 

 

NOW...Do you see what I'm talking about?

I'm not posting this to brag but in an effort to dissuade any of the intellectually impaired who might think that what you do can possibly work long term...because it won't. The RISK V REWARD just doesn't stand up to scrutiny...and also...Because I am a "People" Person by nature, I haven't given up hope that I may yet steer you away from the forces of "THE DARK SIDE". 

Anyway...My work here is done...After this post nobody with any detectable signs of alpha- brain wave activity is gonna be the slightest bit interested in your HIGH RISK/SMALL REWARD strategy. 

I'm guessing that you will totally ignore what I've said, but I have two further words of advice for you...

PLEASE cease and desist keeping score on used lunch wrappers and FFS!!!...GO AND BUY YOURSELF A FREAKING RULER

 

OK...I lied about me being a "People Person"...but I'm working on it.

 

Okay I'm not going to lie. I believe that it is time for me to show that you and me are two different people.

First off let's look a little bit at the numbers that you have shared with me.

1. Unit Amount:
You want to show comparison your way to my method of $500 units. Let me start out by saying that I WOULD NEVER WORK WITH $500 UNITS. The most I would work with is $100 UNITS. The reason why is because that is the highest bill anything in this country has. A $100 bill. No $1000 bills. No $500 bills. So why not work with just that highest bill?

2. Amounts of Bets:
Ok let's take a look at the numbers a little bit closer. If you notice at my results, it did NOT take 55 bets to make +25 units. IT TOOK ONLY 17 Bets! The winning percentage within those 17 bets is about 58% (10 wins, 7 Losses). And since the risk was -21 units (which you are correct), $100 units would make it $2100. However, with a 2400-unit bankroll, that can recovered. My highest bet within those 17 bets was 18 units ($1800).

Side Note: I still don't understand why you would say that mathematics mean nothing when it comes to making money in the casino and yet you are sharing me the numbers.

Side Note #2: I would provide results of an entire shoe so that people can see why it is important to have a unit goal.

3. Bankroll
For my method to work, I chose 2400 units as a recommended amount of units. One major key for the method to operate is not only to make money but to also INCREASE your bankroll at the same time. So for instance, let's say that you had $1.2 million in your bankroll. And instead of working with $500 units, you work with $100 units. So if you do the math, THAT IS 12,000 UNITS!!! Now hear me out on this. You said that you have $15,000 in your bankroll and you want to work on my method. You can work with $6 units. So at least 21 units per game would make you $126. But let's say that you don't want work with $6 units and you want to work with $5 units instead. Look at the difference below.

Your Bankroll is $15,000
$6 Units----->$6 X 6-to1(6) X 400=$14,400 recommended bankroll
Your $15,000 bankroll - $14,400 recommended bankroll= $600 EXTRA to work with

$5 Units----->$5 X 6-to-1 ratio (6) X 400= $12,000 recommended bankroll
Your $15,000 bankroll - $12,000 recommended bankroll= $3000 EXTRA to work with

See the difference? If I wanted to work with $100 units for the rest of my life and started with 2400 units as a bankroll, I can DOUBLED my Bankroll by at least 114 days (almost 4 months). Of course, My 2 Money Management Rules would be involved once a week but still GROWING YOUR BANKROLL is just as important as making a living playing Baccarat.

4. Flat Betting

I HAVE NO PROBLEM with flat betting because it is a reasonable way of betting. However, it has to depend on the unit amount per bet. So if someone wanted to use my method and ONLY work with flat betting, It would take much longer to make 21 units. In that case, THAT PLAYER MUST HAVE THEIR OWN GOAL. If it was me, my goal for flat betting would be 5 units on $20, $50, or $100 units or. That's $100 to $500 per game. Nothing wrong making at least $100 per game. ESPECIALLY when you have at least 2400 units to work with.

To conclude, Yes we are two different gamblers. One experienced, one growing. Nothing wrong with that. But when someone judges another person who wants to build knowledge and just want to make a few bucks from home, that ticks me off. Which is what you have done to me and another person who has looked at my topic about this method. That's why I asked you to respect those people. I don't care if you don't respect me, but at least respect them.

[JMoney45]

13 hours ago, ozscouser1 said:

I also note that you are prepared to go to -400 units as your STOP/LOSS

 

400 units x $500 = -$200K STOP/LOSS...Seriously???

 

A former BTC Legend ...One of the best Baccarat Players there has ever been called me "INSANE" once for making a 7 unit bet...I can't help but wonder what he would say to you...LOL

 

 

 

12 hours ago, CT70 said:

Very good analysis! 

I like the -3 stop loss!

 

 

 

 

 

My Stop/Loss is based on how much I have left in the bankroll to work with and how long in the shoe it took to get me down 400 units. I created rules and goals for myself even when I lose and one of the biggest rules when losing is NEVER FEAR. I may have been down 400 units. By then, I would have waited on the next shoe to play with 2000 units and use a backup strategy.

With this, I created what I call the Emergency Room Strategy with is a secondary method among my original method (NEVER MENTIONED UNTIL NOW)

This Strategy is a 1-2 Flat Betting progression. The 1 Unit would be my base bet and 2 unit would be my winning bet. The key is to never go to 2 units until I win my 1-Unit bet. Once I win that 1-Unit, then I Flat bet at 2 units UNTIL I LOSE. Once I lose a 2-unit bet, I go back to 1-unit and start the process over. So in other words, the amount of wins in a row when flat betting with 2 units is what determines how long it would take me to break even and still be able to profit 1 additional unit.

So My Primary Method wouldn't be playing all the time IF I DID NOT HAVE GOALS, RULES, AND STRATEGIES.

Let me show you how the Emergency Room Strategy works:

This is what the numbers would look like if I was working with $10 units and one shoe got me down 400 units:

Losing Shoe Results:
My original bankroll (Before losing 400 units)-----> $10 X 6 to 1(6) X 400= $24000
$10 X 400 units= Down $4,000

New shoe Adjustment:
New Bankroll: 2,000 units or $20,000
Base bet of $100 (200 total units to work with; $200-unit bets as winning bet)

New Goal UNTIL I BREAK EVEN: +21 Units TOTAL (20 units to break even and 1 unit of extra profit)

So If I had a Shoe Unit Goal of let's say 10 units per shoe with this strategy it would take me at least 2 shoes to recover before I return back to my primary method.

So I hope this can give you idea of why I am not worried about being down 400 units when it ever happens.

Much respect to that BTC legend. However, the reason why he probably went crazy over a 7-unit bet was probably because your bankroll was high enough to recover if you were to lose that 7-unit bet or your 1-unit amount is TOO high.

[JMoney45]

1 hour ago, William Looi said:

You understand how gambler life ,losing and keep on losing and losing until to the end , and you have compassion on them because you know most of them are loser therefore you are willing to help any player or gambler so that you do not lose too much. Your heart is good and may God give you wisdom to do better. Your method may not be the best and practical , but you have the heart to help others without selfishness.  

 

 

Thank you for the compliment. The thing about this topic in general is it was just an overview of what I have shared. There are other things that I didn;t mentioned. That is why people will get about me about anything. Especially those who are like "Set for Life". I'm the type of guy who wants to see people succeed. Working smarter, not harder.

I appreciate your comments.

[ECD]

"Okay I'm not going to lie. I believe that it is time for me to show that you and I are two different people".

 

A truer word was never said...

There are other differences between us that I need to point out to any unsuspecting "intellectually challenged" would be Baccarat Player that even gives a second thought to your system.

One of us makes a living solely from playing Baccarat and Roulette and has done so for years.

You on the other hand had to borrow a lousy $2400 to try your system. You committed the biggest sin of any gambler..."NEVER EVER BORROW MONEY TO GAMBLE" . If you can't afford to lose, then you can't afford to play.

One of us has been mentored for many years by the best Baccarat Players in existence and relies on discerning Shoe Biases and bet choices with limited risk.

You, on the other hand have never set foot in a casino and for several months have played  pretend games with pretend money and might as well make your bet choices blindfolded with a pin...might as well play "Pin The Tail on the Bloody Donkey" for the skill involved

One of us risks a maximum of 3 units per shoe

You, on the other hand,  are prepared to risk a loss of  400 units in a single shoe which is beyond braindead.

One of us started with a $100 Bankroll (which I lost a few times) making 50p bets online and built it up to the point where the size of my Bankroll no longer comes into consideration. $15K is not my Bankroll but just a figure I chose to explain the discrepancies and the failsafe guards between you and me.

You, on the other hand, are giving advice to would be Players when you have sweet stuff all experience yourself.

One of us knows full well the stresses involved of making and even losing that first $1K...$5K and even $10K bet when my highest risk was still only a max of 2 units.

You, on the other hand, talk about making an 18 unit bet as if it's nothing...which is fantasy land bullshit.

 

I was doubling my Bankroll in the early days every two or three sessions with a whole lot less risk than you.

You talk about doubling your Bankroll every 114 days. If you factor in that most people eat into their bankroll to survive, it's a damn good thing that you don't want to progress beyond $100 units because you will die of old age before you get there.

You say that you don't aspire to bet more than $100 units because that is the largest bill size...That makes about as much sense as me scratching my balls and expecting my wife to get pregnant. 

 

In short...one of us has studied under the best and played the game for years as a Professional and the other is a rank amateur who lives in a make believe world and seeks to share his ignorance with others who may be just as gullible. 

I have stopped caring about you losing your shirt, but I can only hope that I have prevented some who are as gullible as you from losing money.

My message to all is "Don't listen to this kid...He means well, but he knows sweet F***K all about Baccarat" 

As Dirty Harry once said..."A man has to recognise his limitations"...and for this kid that would be "Church Bingo" 

 

The good news is that Baccarat can be beaten and my basic skills were learned on this site and I payed a lot more than the lousy $50/month that they currently ask.

Your Choice

 

[JMoney45]

45 minutes ago, ozscouser1 said:

"Okay I'm not going to lie. I believe that it is time for me to show that you and I are two different people".

 

A truer word was never said...

There are other differences between us that I need to point out to any unsuspecting "intellectually challenged" would be Baccarat Player that even gives a second thought to your system.

One of us makes a living solely from playing Baccarat and Roulette and has done so for years.

You on the other hand had to borrow a lousy $2400 to try your system. You committed the biggest sin of any gambler..."NEVER EVER BORROW MONEY TO GAMBLE" . If you can't afford to lose, then you can't afford to play.

One of us has been mentored for many years by the best Baccarat Players in existence and relies on discerning Shoe Biases and bet choices with limited risk.

You, on the other hand have never set foot in a casino and for several months have played  pretend games with pretend money and might as well make your bet choices blindfolded with a pin...might as well play "Pin The Tail on the Bloody Donkey" for the skill involved

One of us risks a maximum of 3 units per shoe

You, on the other hand,  are prepared to risk a loss of  400 units in a single shoe which is beyond braindead.

One of us started with a $100 Bankroll (which I lost a few times) making 50p bets online and built it up to the point where the size of my Bankroll no longer comes into consideration. $15K is not my Bankroll but just a figure I chose to explain the discrepancies and the failsafe guards between you and me.

You, on the other hand, are giving advice to would be Players when you have sweet stuff all experience yourself.

One of us knows full well the stresses involved of making and even losing that first $1K...$5K and even $10K bet when my highest risk was still only a max of 2 units.

You, on the other hand, talk about making an 18 unit bet as if it's nothing...which is fantasy land bullshit.

 

I was doubling my Bankroll in the early days every two or three sessions with a whole lot less risk than you.

You talk about doubling your Bankroll every 114 days. If you factor in that most people eat into their bankroll to survive, it's a damn good thing that you don't want to progress beyond $100 units because you will die of old age before you get there.

You say that you don't aspire to bet more than $100 units because that is the largest bill size...That makes about as much sense as me scratching my balls and expecting my wife to get pregnant. 

 

In short...one of us has studied under the best and played the game for years as a Professional and the other is a rank amateur who lives in a make believe world and seeks to share his ignorance with others who may be just as gullible. 

I have stopped caring about you losing your shirt, but I can only hope that I have prevented some who are as gullible as you from losing money.

My message to all is "Don't listen to this kid...He means well, but he knows sweet F***K all about Baccarat" 

As Dirty Harry once said..."A man has to recognise his limitations"...and for this kid that would be "Church Bingo" 

 

The good news is that Baccarat can be beaten and my basic skills were learned on this site and I payed a lot more than the lousy $50/month that they currently ask.

Your Choice

 

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You can address your differences all you want, but you still get it.

Yea you may have play in the casino for years but you also had to start somewhere too.

I didn’t commit any sin and did not borrow $2400. It was only $500 and I make a little over $1000 profit and returned every penny back to that person.
I wouldn’t been selfish and kept the profit but I didn’t. I wanted to work with my own money and that’s why I studied a reasonable bankroll and add a bigger percentage of my profits to that bankroll and keep a smaller percentage for myself. There is nothing wrong with paying back your debt to someone you care about.

So what I have never physically step foot in a casino. Nothing wrong with playing online period. Many people in Beat The Casino play online so it is not just me.

I am prepared for whatever results I have because I know how to benefit from it. You think it’s brain dead but it’s not.

Every single results I have shown on here are not fake. You say where I mention where I would stop once I reach a certain goal. (show me some of your shoes’ results and you will see what I mean). In other words, that $15,000 we have both mentioned was an example. Nothing else.

If you want to talk not stressing about losing 2 units. How about losing 2 units in $1000, $5000, or even $10,000 chips? If I was down only 2 units, I would only be down $200 at the most. With the bankroll recommend, that can be recovered easily. Considered as like something can be broke and yet can easily be fixed.

I wouldn’t mind one bit giving advice to anybody gambler and I tell everybody who is reading these disagreements between me and Oz to do not procrastinate in what you believe in! Because someone else will take advantage of that. We all know that money is the biggest gain anybody would want. But rarely anybody knows how to compound what they earn. Compound your Earnings and Take advantage while you still can. It’s have to be through my method or Oz’s. Maybe you got something even better than the both of us that helps you make in money in the casino. Go to work with your casino ideas and make it work for you.

People eat their bankrolls to survive because they don’t know how to manage their money. It’s like spending their food money on lottery tickets. In case money, The money I would be working with would be on my earnings in my other ways of living.  I made the choice of having $100 units as the highest choice because that is my choice. Even if I work with $50 units, that’s plenty enough for me. I have no problem with saying that I am not greedy when it comes to making it. That’s another reason why people eat their bankrolls. They get too greedy when they win. I’m all about reaching a certain goal and live to build another day. Simple as that. So instead of scratching your balls, why don’t you scratch you’re wife’s back?

I am not worried about being an amateur but I’m also the underdog. I’ve been the underdog my whole and I’ve prove many people wrong. Looks like I got something to prove in this situation. I would be honored to live with that. A wise man once told me that there will come a time in your life when you have to do the right thing even if it's a little dangerous and that's how man defines himself. So if it is dangerous, I know how to overcome it.

To conclude, I don’t care if you ever cared about me “Losing my shirt”. You don’t have any hope at all because I already know that you are prepared for the day that I lose my money. By the time that day happens, I will still be making my living peacefully.

As the great Muhammad Ali says, “Champions come and go, but to be legendary you got to have heart, more heart than the next man, more than anyone in the world.”

I’m going to build my own legacy while you deal with one of the most deadly sins of all.

May the rest of your life be the best of your life.

[ECD]

6 minutes ago, JMoney45 said:

I’m going to build my own legacy while you deal with one of the most deadly sins of all.

PICK ME...PICK ME...

Would that sin be"REALISM?"
 

 

 

[JMoney45]

8 minutes ago, ozscouser1 said:

 

GREED

 

 

[ECD]

6 minutes ago, JMoney45 said:

GREED

 

 

REALLY?...How very judgemental of you...LOL

I would never have guessed.

Well...like my dear old Dad used to say..."If you are gonna do something...do it well"...and if GREED is my sin...I AM DAMN GOOD AT IT!

If it's greed that drives me to secure the futures of my children and my Grandchildren so that they won't have to struggle like I did...then I stand condemned.

If it's greed that drives me to increase my Bankroll to the point that I'm making $50K and $100K bets so that I can help fund medical research into diseases that affect children... then likewise...I stand condemned .

 

You may call it greed...but I will wear your condemnation like a medal of honour because while you are still fart arsing around trying to get to $100 units... I ...if all goes to plan... will be able to do untold good with the money I will be removing from casino coffers.

BTW: The Charity fund will be named after my mentor and friend..."Norm Allen"RIP...One of the best there has ever been

 

 

 

[JMoney45]

55 minutes ago, ozscouser1 said:

 

Well you be good at it until you have nothing left

At least my medal of honor will stay fresh when I do reach $100 units.

 

[JMoney45]

For today, I'm going to show you my method going to work on Keith's latest video on Shoe of the Week.

If you have not seen that video yet, you can watch it below.

With that being said, My results are in the attachments.
 

 

[LOU30]

Kid you don't know when your beaten! Bow out now...

Keep up the good work my friend down under!

[JMoney45]

4 minutes ago, LOU30 said:

Kid you don't know when your beaten! Bow out now...

Keep up the good work my friend down under!

 

Yea whatever you say

[LOU30]

Here's a tip, take half of one of your units and join the forum.

You will make friends here who will help you become a better player than you are now, it will be the best bet you will ever make.

 

 

[JMoney45]

4 minutes ago, LOU30 said:

Here's a tip, take half of one of your units and join the forum.

You will make friends here who will help you become a better player than you are now, it will be the best bet you will ever make.

 

 

 

Best Bet for the program. Not for me. Get real. It's good enough for me to hear negativity for free.

[LOU30]

Oh well, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink!

Good luck.

(My last reply to this post)

[JMoney45]

 

4 minutes ago, LOU30 said:

Oh well, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink!

Good luck.

(My last reply to this post)

 

And you can;t ride a horse without a saddle.

Good luck to you too

(Be a blessing to someone else's post then)

[ECD]

On 12/18/2016 at 3:28 PM, JMoney45 said:

For number #1 I'm not a kid. And #2, you got it all wrong. You do not even know the full purpose of my method. It's selfish people like you who give people who are trying to make a difference like myself a bad name. You don't think I have done my research too? Understanding how successful gambler's work their money in a casino? Well I have done my research ever since I was a kid. My family were gamblers too and they would lose all the time. And I learned from their mistakes. Then the next thing you know, I created an idea. An idea that can turn a big enough bankroll with small bets into a much bigger bankroll and eventually work up to $100 chips. See...that's the difference between you and me. You have been money hungry all your life. I'm all about being able to turn a 9-5 weekly paycheck into a daily paycheck. That's my goal.

So I ask you again, please show some respect. If you don't like it, then that's your problem.

I have recently posted my method in the private forum.  I put it on there for two reasons, #1 I believe how I am playing is truly a great way to tackle this game and #2 I exposed it knowing that there would be some critics and suggestions.  I am very happy with both reasons.  When you put a method of play on the forum you need to have thick skin.  You are exposing it to some great minds and trust me, they are going to tell you what they think good or bad.  There is one thing that you mentioned at the end of this post that is completely wrong if you have truly done your research.  The daily paycheck thing that you are striving for is all wrong.  If you are looking to play for a living you need to keep the same bi-weekly or monthly profits.  Also, to make any kind of a good living playing this game, your goal should be the purple chips and not the black ones.  Can your bankroll handle playing $500 hands?  I really don't know. 

[ECD]

Hey kid...any chance of sending me a PM with your postal address... 

 

I have a present for you...You do know what it is...don't you?

Then use the freaking thing FFS!

 

Edited December 20, 2016 by ECD

[JMoney45]

7 hours ago, ozscouser1 said:

Hey kid...any chance of sending me a PM with your postal address... 

 

I have a present for you...You do know what it is...don't you?

Then use the freaking thing FFS!

 

 

Some gift

[JMoney45]

11 hours ago, McVince said:

I have recently posted my method in the private forum.  I put it on there for two reasons, #1 I believe how I am playing is truly a great way to tackle this game and #2 I exposed it knowing that there would be some critics and suggestions.  I am very happy with both reasons.  When you put a method of play on the forum you need to have thick skin.  You are exposing it to some great minds and trust me, they are going to tell you what they think good or bad.  There is one thing that you mentioned at the end of this post that is completely wrong if you have truly done your research.  The daily paycheck thing that you are striving for is all wrong.  If you are looking to play for a living you need to keep the same bi-weekly or monthly profits.  Also, to make any kind of a good living playing this game, your goal should be the purple chips and not the black ones.  Can your bankroll handle playing $500 hands?  I really don't know. 

 

I appreciate you telling me why you shared your method to other gamblers. As long as it works for you, stick with it.

I do want to thank you for speaking your honest truth. I have no problem reading what is going through a person's mind.

I will address your comment that you said that is completely wrong. When I first started working my first 9-5 job, I was only making $300 per week. So for me having a mindset of making money from home, I want to be my own boss and the only way that I can do that is to start by making at least $100 per day on my own terms instead of in someone else's terms. I am all about working smarter instead of harder. I know that if I can turn a $300 per week hard-working job into making $300 per day in the comfort of my own home, then I know that I can make a difference for the next person who want to do the same. So I hope that addresses your concern.

I will also let you keep in mind that yes. My method can work with any amount per hand. Of course, if you were to use any of my betting strategies, people, who hear what the recommended amount in the bankroll is, would drive anybody crazy. Have at least 2,400 units total on $500 units would mean a bankroll amount of $1.2 million. Yes I know I will get hassled about that. But in my mind, if I had that kind of bankroll and I wanted to work with $500 units. +21 units (my short-term goal) would make me $10,500. If I were to play every day for 30 days and made exactly 21 units per day, that would be $315,000 in profits.

The thing is with me, I'm about able being able to make a better living at any given time and increase my bankroll at the same time. This is what I mean. If go back to what I said earlier about wanting to make $300 per day in the casino and I wanted to flat bet with $100 units, all I would need is just 3 units profit. The bankroll I would recommend in this case would be $2,000 (20 total units). If I am able to double that bankroll to $4,000, I would be happy with that. So If I played my other strategies and had 2400 units in my bankroll, I would be very happy if I reached 4800 units..

Now keep in mind that I have two Money Management Rules to go along with all of this in order for me to make a living and increase my bankroll at the same time.

Now me personally, I would rather just make $10,000 per month by the first week and not play until the next month. So for me working with $100 units, making at least 21 units in profits means at least $2,100 in profits. So ideally, that would take me at least 5 different shoes (or 5 days; 1 shoe per day) to make $10,000 in profits. Even if I made $5000 in profits, I would be perfectly okay with that too.

Now, if I were doing ONLY flat betting for instance, I would probably recommend having at least $10,000 in your bankroll. That's 20 units total if you are working with $500 units. When it comes to having a unit goal for every game you play, I would say have at least 3 units as your goal. That would be at least $1500 in profits.

As an example, if you want to make at least 4 units for every game you play, that means you would be able to double your $10,000 bankroll to $20,000 in 5 games without losing. It would take you at least 20 units profit to double your bankroll in this example. So by the time you have reached that goal, you would have 40 total units in your bankroll if you stick with flat betting at $500 units.

So keep in mind that all of my betting strategies are not play in every game. I like to switch strategies every now and then.

With all of that being said, I hope you were able to understand what I have tried to explain based off of your response. If you haven't, that's okay. Not everybody will learn something after one time. It takes practice which is what I have been doing all this time. Practice makes Excellence (Not perfect because nothing is perfect)