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Beating casino baccarat today is hard. To beat it EVERY day or playing full time and winning 70% or more of all shoes, trips, visits    Is very difficult.  So many systems can beat the right shoe.   Trick is knowing  what to play  before shoe unfolds.    Sometimes   How a shoe starts can be a signal  what system to use.  Today,   That  either almost does not work    Or  it changes.   If you get in early enough  before it changes, great.  Very tuff to beat todays game.  Almost like damned if you do and damned if you don't.  When you zig it zags.  When you zag it zigs.  Systems,  Nor, Sap, O/R  work if it is consistent.  Today  that is not as reliable as it used to be.  It works if you jump on it quickly early on it before it will shift    and leave table  10 units or 1 unit not keep playing  and lose to the shift.   Maybe today,  the most reliable and best way to play is play huge money like $5,000 bet,  you are up 1 unit  go home  next day same thing    This way can make 1 unit a day or $5,000 a day.   But, honestly,  I don't know anymore.  

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3 hours ago, BigChips said:

Beating casino baccarat today is hard. To beat it EVERY day or playing full time and winning 70% or more of all shoes, trips, visits    Is very difficult.  So many systems can beat the right shoe.   Trick is knowing  what to play  before shoe unfolds.    Sometimes   How a shoe starts can be a signal  what system to use.  Today,   That  either almost does not work    Or  it changes.   If you get in early enough  before it changes, great.  Very tuff to beat todays game.  Almost like damned if you do and damned if you don't.  When you zig it zags.  When you zag it zigs.  Systems,  Nor, Sap, O/R  work if it is consistent.  Today  that is not as reliable as it used to be.  It works if you jump on it quickly early on it before it will shift    and leave table  10 units or 1 unit not keep playing  and lose to the shift.   Maybe today,  the most reliable and best way to play is play huge money like $5,000 bet,  you are up 1 unit  go home  next day same thing    This way can make 1 unit a day or $5,000 a day.   But, honestly,  I don't know anymore.  

One thing Ellis said that is true is that no bias is a bias in itself

Such was the foundation of MDB+

I remember reading one of way2fasts posts where he questioned the use of the word 'random'

Really random shoe is a word used to describe a shoe that someone does not understand

Maybe one does not have the tools or variables to analyse a shoe and pick a bias that can be taken advantage of.

If you are a beginner then maybe all you can see and understand is ZZ runs and Straight runs - then you will call any shoe which does not contain lots of straight runs or ZZ runs 'random' or 'unbeatable'

If you know OTBL as well then all of a sudden many shoes are not random anymore they can be recognised and beaten.

And it goes deeper and deeper

That's why you must work every day on your game and ask yourself what did I not see, how could I have done it better?

I question whether games today are any less beatable than in the past, biases are always constantly moving

Maybe there is some truth to it with shuffle technology, maybe the runs are shorter than they used to be.

But to the trained eye there is no such thing as random you just need to keep working and a shoe you found difficult today you will look at in 6 months and it wont be so hard.

 

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The are multiple problems with most/if not all of E's theories:

  1. He uses cookie cutter language to market them.  Ellis promises the world to you presenting this grand illusion that you will be walking away + a gazillion on almost every shoe. And by the time you figure out his game, you are in for a lot of money.  
  2. Ellis' HG systems are like computers.  The latest HG system will be obsolete (LCNB)  by the end of the year only to be replaced by the new HG system.

Those of us who have been playing for a few years or longer are wise to the game already.  I am sure that the top players here will echo the following:

None of us would be the player we are today if it wasn't for Ellis, but it is Ellis' doing that put Ellis where he is.  

As far as MvD, there is a way that you can use it but it is not in the manner intended.  Instead of using SS as the question, ask yourself this:  Based upon what P or B is showing you, WILL THE 1 STAY 1 OR WILL THE 1 GO TO 2?   The one thing that I found in this kooky journey called Baccarat is that the less you have to ask yourself the better you are.      

PBPBBPBBBBPPBBBBBB

With the above, there were two 1P's without a 2P.  If there is a pattern of two sequences iar then it may be a good bet that the third 1P will stay (Red  P).  The second and third sets of B's were multiple B's.  At the start of the fourth B sequence, it may be a good bet that the 1B will go to 2 (Red B).

As with everything, if you take the time with anyone's method and "Swing your own swing" (RIP Arnold) you can tailor it to fit your needs. 

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4 hours ago, BigChips said:

Beating casino baccarat today is hard. To beat it EVERY day or playing full time and winning 70% or more of all shoes, trips, visits    Is very difficult.  So many systems can beat the right shoe.   Trick is knowing  what to play  before shoe unfolds.    Sometimes   How a shoe starts can be a signal  what system to use.  Today,   That  either almost does not work    Or  it changes.   If you get in early enough  before it changes, great.  Very tuff to beat todays game.  Almost like damned if you do and damned if you don't.  When you zig it zags.  When you zag it zigs.  Systems,  Nor, Sap, O/R  work if it is consistent.  Today  that is not as reliable as it used to be.  It works if you jump on it quickly early on it before it will shift    and leave table  10 units or 1 unit not keep playing  and lose to the shift.   Maybe today,  the most reliable and best way to play is play huge money like $5,000 bet,  you are up 1 unit  go home  next day same thing    This way can make 1 unit a day or $5,000 a day.   But, honestly,  I don't know anymore.  

Big Chips,

I will tell you this, you are on to something.  I am a firm believer that a player cuts his own throat if he keeps swinging for the fences trying to get to +10, 20,30.  If you want to win big, you need to bet big.  If your BR tells you that you shouldn't be betting big then listen to it.  To me, the biggest thing that I discovered is the diminishing win goal.  

Hand #                          Win goal                            Stop Loss

20 (Used to be 15)             +3                                        -5

40                                        +2                                        -5

60                                        +1                                        -5

How many times have you got to the number before your win goal and the floor drops?  If you are -3 at hand 25 why they hell are you going to try to get to +5? It should be painfully obvious that things are not going your way in this shoe so why not reset to a more realistic win goal? I would rather leave +2 or +1 then leave -5, and trust me in your quest for +5 I will bet most of the time you would get to +1 or +2.  

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I used to think that too

Maybe if you had to choose one NOR system or basic system then OTBL would be best

Since then I have looked at more complex ways to analyse shoes

OTBL is just one of many ways

I never go into a shoe thinking which bias to play - analyse the shoe and make an educated decision and be ready to change on a dime because bacc is bacc and at the end of the day its a 50/50 game

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1 hour ago, McVince said:

The are multiple problems with most/if not all of E's theories:

  1. He uses cookie cutter language to market them.  Ellis promises the world to you presenting this grand illusion that you will be walking away + a gazillion on almost every shoe. And by the time you figure out his game, you are in for a lot of money.  
  2. Ellis' HG systems are like computers.  The latest HG system will be obsolete (LCNB)  by the end of the year only to be replaced by the new HG system.

Those of us who have been playing for a few years or longer are wise to the game already.  I am sure that the top players here will echo the following:

None of us would be the player we are today if it wasn't for Ellis, but it is Ellis' doing that put Ellis where he is.  

As far as MvD, there is a way that you can use it but it is not in the manner intended.  Instead of using SS as the question, ask yourself this:  Based upon what P or B is showing you, WILL THE 1 STAY 1 OR WILL THE 1 GO TO 2?   The one thing that I found in this kooky journey called Baccarat is that the less you have to ask yourself the better you are.      

PBPBBPBBBBPPBBBBBB

With the above, there were two 1P's without a 2P.  If there is a pattern of two sequences iar then it may be a good bet that the third 1P will stay (Red  P).  The second and third sets of B's were multiple B's.  At the start of the fourth B sequence, it may be a good bet that the 1B will go to 2 (Red B).

As with everything, if you take the time with anyone's method and "Swing your own swing" (RIP Arnold) you can tailor it to fit your needs. 

Nice post McVince, thanks

You explained there why I chart Player and Banker separately in my betting records

I use E's scorecard to record the whole shoe and my (+ or -) unit score, but on the back of the card I write Player and Banker separately

Its extremely useful to do this and I see a lot of plays I may not always see in the record of the whole shoe

Thanks McVince

Pando

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5 hours ago, way2fast said:

I think you pretty much got it.  Lol.

In another two months we will hit the two-year anniversary when he started soliciting payments for The Final Word.

Wow that's a long time searching for the perfect final word......perhaps the final word will be either bye or suckers.....

I yell "winner winner chicken dinner on all naturals"

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I think oz and way are best to ask this but I feel that gone are the days of 10-15 unit shoes....at least for me. I look around the table and so often I see people up, yet unwilling to leave with their profits-perhaps that's the greed part....I know I have fallen victim to it many times but now just try to exit a shoe up 3-5 units because I know overtime I can level up and level up.....for me it's hard to leave a one table casino with only 3-5 units considering the drive and the time.....I bring with me a copy of a level up plan to remind me why I should be leaving....and after winning 3-5 units it's tough to want to leave......

I yell "winner winner chicken dinner on all naturals"

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16 hours ago, way2fast said:

And as has been the pattern, it must be time now for the next, latest, best system ever in baccarat.  Posted by Ellis:

"I’m also teaching a sister net bet system right now on the private forum that I call S3. S3 may very well be the best Baccarat System of all time.

I played S3 for many years full time in the casinos and made a fortune with it. I had not planned to ever teach it and just keep it for my own private use. But, I’m not getting any younger."

It is amazing that every couple months there is a "new" system that had previously won a fortune and is just now available to be taught.  Even more amazing anyone is still falling for this.

Of course, if there was ever a question about whether MvD "works", just consider than 3 months after its launch, we now have the "best Baccarat System of all time."

Yup.

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1 hour ago, trbfla said:

thanks Kevin ...I just spit my coffee over my phone from laughing so hard

Likewise...I just ruined a perfectly good Laptop... LMFAO

Without doubt...Your best ever Kevin...LOL 

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Hi Kevin,

I just rang the number above to reserve my copy and I got a recording -  sold out due to excessive orders - please contact Kevin for further info - could you please advise when more offers available !?

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Also disappointed you did not include your 5D-T method (5D-Turbo)

You know the one which is guaranteed to double your money EVERY time you play ?

Could you please include it at an additional cost of course!?

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It's all good.

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 Sorry, Brad, but 5DTurbo is currently priced at a number I cannot discuss....i just woke up from a dream where I was able to combine all systems and MM strategies into a single approach

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Combines the very best of UpAsUWin/ UpAsULose approaches with 91101 baccarat code .

Will have to leave the rest unsaid on this forum. 

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Kevin,

where can I subscribe your monthly issue for these stuff?

cannot wait to read you again!

:):):):):)

 

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Kevin 

can you also include "why play for money when you can play for comps" along with "how to make the eye in the sky your friend" or "flirting with your dealer-it's not her it's you" or my favorite "the cocktail waitress really wants you-how to make sure you don't go home alone"

I yell "winner winner chicken dinner on all naturals"

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Just saw this on the "Forum that can't be named"

xingbnso says:

March 18, 2017 at 2:20 am

"What is the cost of the seminar if you are already a private member and mvd member?"

Seriously...Some people just can't be helped.

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