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BigChips

I have to admit  I have been on many different forums and purchased many systems and manuals.   Yes, I have read every manual written by Ellis Davis but,   nothing compares to this forum and the people.   I think maybe I should join.    I am very interested  in what McSap is teaching  in the exclusive forum.    That would best suit me.   Flat betting   Then eventually for big units of $1,000 and more  winning just a couple of units a shoe.   McVince,  without giving anything away,  I would like to pick your brain a bit  and tell me more about your way of playing.  Kachats    also interested  in knowing more about the way you play without giving much away.   Thank you everyone

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Biggy-

 

Give me a call anytime 850-687-3128 LV time zone, and I will tell you exactly how I play 5D

And if you ever, ever hope to " play like a pro" , the  $50 you inv St today will be worth many, many times more in just a short time.

( what it will save you alone, by not making the same mistakes we all have is PRICELESS)

 

Kevin

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On 3/22/2017 at 0:28 PM, way2fast said:

I think you pretty much got it.  Lol.

In another two months we will hit the two-year anniversary when he started soliciting payments for The Final Word.

And  2 years passed with  people coughing up  $750 for the book that was never written or shipped out to them but more money is charged for new systems like net betting or MvD while old commitments to deliver paid  for book are still not fulfilled. How do you call that? 

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19 hours ago, ArkSobo said:

And  2 years passed with  people coughing up  $750 for the book that was never written or shipped out to them but more money is charged for new systems like net betting or MvD while old commitments to deliver paid  for book are still not fulfilled. How do you call that? 

I think the word is not final yet

I yell "winner winner chicken dinner on all naturals"

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On 4/5/2017 at 0:46 AM, BigChips said:

I have to admit  I have been on many different forums and purchased many systems and manuals.   Yes, I have read every manual written by Ellis Davis but,   nothing compares to this forum and the people.   I think maybe I should join.    I am very interested  in what McSap is teaching  in the exclusive forum.    That would best suit me.   Flat betting   Then eventually for big units of $1,000 and more  winning just a couple of units a shoe.   McVince,  without giving anything away,  I would like to pick your brain a bit  and tell me more about your way of playing.  Kachats    also interested  in knowing more about the way you play without giving much away.   Thank you everyone

No problems.   Anytime.  

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On 4/7/2017 at 2:19 PM, trbfla said:

I think the word is not final yet

I stand corrected .....the final word is out and it's "invincible" . That's right with anor mvd and anb you too can be invisible to the actual way to win a shoe. But hey for another 750 you can reserve your spot early to become super invincible with anti anor anti mvd and anti anb but wait there's more...for 500 you can learn how to read a tote board by someone who spends his life inside a casino and plays daily...... but wait there's even more....for 250 you can learn the big road, another 250 you'll learn the small road another 250 the cockroach road, and then the sideways road, the bumpy road, the hilly road, the pothole road , the unpaved road......I can do this all day the scenic road, the road less traveled, the road under the road, the divided road, omg I see systems for the next 10 years.......one has to think that perhaps a mentor spending too much time in circus circus can truly be a bad thing 

I yell "winner winner chicken dinner on all naturals"

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On 4/7/2017 at 9:39 PM, BigChips said:

McVince   You mention  that mvd does work but,  not in the way it is intended?

Yes,  I think you can use it to ask yourself one question and one question only:

Using what you have seen in the past, will the 1 stay 1 or will it go to 2?  If you use the MvD rules to answer that one question, you can probably be successful at it.  

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On 4/7/2017 at 1:19 PM, trbfla said:

I think the word is not finished yet

So why not refund the money? 2 years is long enough to wait?

Or he could just finish it instead of selling new manuals and methods  while this one remains unfinished but with money collected already - so why bother...

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BigChips

McVince,   of all the systems I have played over the last 25 years,  your Sap method is by FAR  the best way to play.  Even flat betting and quitting with a 3 unit win holds up in almost all shoes,  80-90%  and sometimes more

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Btw,  just my own experience,  I only use part one of your sap.  Which events will stay the same.  I don't use the Blend.  But, I do note if an event is lagging way behind not to make that bet.  Some games   quitting the shoe when all 4 or 3 out of 4 events hit 4 and 8 works best.   Some games an event is way ahead  like 14    And next due score is 16 and 20 and betting on it works even though I know the higher the score  the higher the risk.  It has  a higher  reliable consistent games/shoes won rate  more than does Nor, MvD, etc

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The majority of the feedback that I got was that the NOR part of the blend is not paying off.  I have got the same win % with and without it.  When I posted it on the forum, I welcomed criticism knowing that it isn't personal and I wanted others to see it to point out things (Good or Bad) that I am not seeing.  As far as everyone not playing it, some people don't see what I see or it doesn't fit into their style of play.  Some people want to bet more, some people want to win more units as opposed to leaving with a smaller win goal.  It works for me and some other people and I hope it works for you. 

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8 hours ago, citibay said:

I wish oz post this a few month earlier so I would have saved my 1500 bucks.

I am seriously sorry to hear that. I contemplated an earlier expos'e but thought better of trashing the reputation of the man responsible(partly) for me being where I am today. It was only after his "Arse Licker in Chief" Carlos the Wanker (not Jackal) came here on a spying mission (How very melodramatic...but true) that I changed my mind.

 

Ellis, no doubt has a brilliant Baccarat mind, but he is just one man and just like a Politician who surrounds himself with "YES" men...he has surrounded himself with "brown tonguers" that I wouldn't trust at a Baccarat Table with my Mother-in-Law's purse. Any dissent/discussion is met with instant "Banning" from the Forum as distinct from here at BTC where discussion is welcomed and indeed those helping to tweak already proven methods and help the members get up to speed are also proven performers at the tables..."Best of the Best" so to speak... way2fast, kazatch1, CT70, PJ (when he finds time), Vinnie, Wolfat, Brendan, Brad, Pando and others ...all winners at a game that the mathematicians say is unbeatable (Go tell my Accountant...LOL)

And Ellis has his "Searchers for The Holy Grail" ...and Dean, who knows less about Baccarat than my left testicle...famous for such truisms as  Laws of Osmosis: The process of gradual or unconscious assimilation of ideas, knowledge, etc related to gambling.” WTF!...and this peanut...this know nothing about Baccarat... dared to try and trash the reputation of way2Fast...one of the best there is...a proven winner (and a genuinely nice guy who is willing to help all and sundry) That didn't end well did it Boofhead? Give yourself an uppercut.

The good news is that here...nobody makes outlandish promises offering the Holy Grail of Baccarat...No new "Best Ever" systems (at a small extra cover charge) cough...cough...  that you can learn in 5 mins, but a promise that there is information available at BTC and there are people here that will help guide you on your Baccarat journey, and with hard work...you too can become a "WINNER"  (Not to mention Stats for Profit...possibly the best practice system ever devised with REAL shoes in it's database...Machine Shuffled...Boxed and Hand shuffled...NOT RGN's)

I wish you luck on your journey whatever direction you choose to take

Again...Sorry about your $1500

 

OOPS...MY BAD...I didn't realise that you were already a Premium Member...but the rest of my Post still applies to those who are contemplating wasting their money on the search for the HG.

 

 OSMOSIS: THE PROCESS OF GRADUAL OR UNCONSCIOUS ASSIMILATION OF IDEAS, KNOWLEDGE, ETC RELATED TO GAMBLINGWS OF OSMOSIS: THE PROCESS OF GRADUAL OR UNCONSCIOUS ASSIMILATION OF IDEAS, KNOWLEDGE, ETC RELATED TO GAMBLING.

 

 

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By the way, in case anyone is reading this thread and confused, this "not delivering information that was paid for" is not about this forum but another forum. It is $50.00 bucks to join here and $20 bucks to join stats for profits.  With that said we are always looking for new member and need them to contribute new ideas and perspectives.  So consider joining us and all these fine people posting here. And some of you old timers who are too tight to cough up $50 bucks for the cause geez come on help us out in the premium forum,:lol:  

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not by how many times they say they won.

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