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On August 19, 2017 at 3:08 PM, William Looi said:

Do you charge manual part 1 $(    )   manual part 2 $(  )    Manual final  $(  )   , 

No charge, William.

But you will have to be a card-carrying member of the Premium Member forum to learn how to extract the next $50-100K from your casino.

You call me, Same $50/ month to belong...but...I can get you way more than $50K

Kevin 

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So, perhaps I am OVER-ESTIMATING just how much you want to participate?

     - Is it $50K, $75K or ??? You want?

( well, this is where " wanting to" , and " willing to" differ...)

     - You have the opportunity to get back a tremendous ROI..play regularly to an outstanding Player Advantage,...far greater than how you currently play.

( or perhaps you have been " sand-bagging" us, and you already figured it out?) 

.    - DO you just WANT -TO?

                      ( or)

    -  ARE you really, really WILLING-TO?

( help create a form of " super -system" we can all use)

             - ( I really, really need WILLING-TO kinds of people) as those are the ones whose " creation" we-collectively-come-up-with  will best understand it, and, more importantly, fully understand  ( how, when, where, why) it will excel, and drive their winnings far beyond their imagination....

who just " wants to" ?

who is " willing to" ?

          - ( Many of you here on the forum are searching for somebody to spill-the-beans /describe exactly how $2MM Norm developed his FTS method/ what it is...etc)

IS THAT  WHAT YOU WANT?? ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE??

           The question becomes...Would it make sense  to take the development of our joint-effort " super-system" off-site, so those who just WANT to learn, but are UNWILLING to participate/ share their secrets get left out in the cold? And only "invite in" those willing to participate/reap the benefits?

( Tell me your thoughts...I'm listening...)

I can only make this a SUPER SYSTEM with multiple inputs, heavy concentration of group participation/dialogue/testing..OR, just a small group of like-minded, serious -to-earn $$ and I take this off site and develop for limited usage/targeted profit generation

( up to you...

And you...

and you...)

     - You know who ' you' are...

 

 

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Look, I know this is not EZ.

But by now, you likely have figured out that any truly, long-term successful baccarat player simply must develop the skill necessary to unlock his/her own path to WINNING @ Baccarat.

I purposely listed out a number of " systems" , methodologies, betting selection techniques and money management possibilities a few posts ago.

And there are many, many more available on the Internet, from books, etc.

I am not suggesting we just use all, several, or even just one of those, but likely there are clues there can help you contribute.

I am convinced, I truly became a better player ONLY by studying/practicing/playing different ways, until I finally convinced myself I would have to create my own unique way to approach the game, and become an advantage player.

Did I make up all by myself the concept of looking at 5 disparities at once to help me evaluate possible bet selections? 

     - No, Over time, I realized that any one system was not going to work all the time...and neither does 5D. BUT, it WINS most of the time!

Did W2F " invent" MDB? No, but after careful evaluation and study, he realized how to " tweak it" and now we have MDB+ ( W2F rules)...and since then, he has worked constantly to combine the best elements of a number of approaches to the game to improve his play even further.

Did McVince invent SAP? No, but he looked closely at it , modified his approach and we now have VINSAP ( or whatever you want to call it)...Is this all he plays these days? NO, just ask him.

Does anyone , even in their wildest imagination, think that Norm " cracked the baccarat code" , and won millions of $$ with some kind of " secret baccarat weapon" ? NO, not without realizing that to WIN @ Baccarat, it requires more than knowledge of a single system, a single money management progression he " invented", or " voodoo baccarat math" 

Have you read OZ's posts on how much work he puts in to winning? ( Of course you have...and you know ther simply is no simple, always objective " bet trigger mechanism" to rake in the $$...

 

The point is this.

I learned how to PLAY baccarat more than 25 years ago. I learned in Macau, when there was only one main casino ( at the time) , The Lisboa. I learned from my Chinese business partners, and I had to take a 90 minute ferry ride from HK to Macau, and then walk down to the casino all by my lonesome...Play 3-deep at the tables, in a dimly-lit, shoulder-to-shoulder environment, using a currency I had to translate in my mind to $USD to make bet evaluations, and then get back to Hong Kong  the same way I got to Macau...

     - I do not speak Mandarin. I do not speak Cantonese. I was simply introduced to the game, how to play. And then I was on my own...

( and for many years, I certainly lost $$!) ,

              - because nobody taught me HOW TO WIN !!

 

So the purpose of this thread is to HELP YOU develop a style of play, based on solid mathmatical concepts which govern the game, so that you too can: 

.    - WIN at least, at a minimum,  $50K " net" from your efforts!!

     - I'll let you do the math to decide how long that will take you...

 

I am not here to gauge your bankroll.

I am not going to " drag you kicking-and-screaming" into the dark recesses of the casino, or the game.

And I am only going to help you, if you show me you want to be helped.

Heck, you want to just contact me off-forum, and we just do this together? , you know how to do that. I have published my contact information many, many times.

 

And if I can find just one person, who is willing to be helped, and help them , it will all be worthwhile.

 

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29 minutes ago, XDotNet said:

I'm in.

Couple of thoughts

1. We should set a time expectation....I don't know how much work you have done Kevin but if we are bootstrapping and testing rules, this will be a more long term project. Changes and tests/re-test take time

2. I don't know how to solve the "if you don't participate you don't get it" problem but i'm not a fan of that. There was a big controversy about sharing Norms FTS a while back and while I respect the decision, the shame of hiding Norms system is that the FTS knowledge will be lost when the holders of it pass on. We're not all going to live forever. 

3. Offsite development and testing, probably a good idea until we can form a solid theory with preliminary testing.

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10 minutes ago, kachatz1 said:

nobody taught me HOW TO WIN

I totally agree.....the bottom line...for anyone that wants to learn......is learning through hard work, dedication, and commitment to the "how to".   I am 66 years young, and one thing I have learned.....is to NEVER STOP LEARNING.  If you choose to stop learning....you aren't moving forward.  So...MOVE FORWARD....ALWAYS.  It really makes the journey of life much more fun also.  It truly becomes your "ADVENTURE OF A LIFETIME". 

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Hey, XD

I like the idea of " sharing" ....but don't make the mistake of thinking we are going to "reinvent the wheel..."

While I once  I worked  for a couple of the largest international Accounting, Auditing, Tax and Consulting firms, we will not need complicated algorithms , or millions of test shoes to " prove our point"...

       - THE POINT IS THIS !!!!!!!!!

( the game is hundreds of years old...billions of hands have been played...let's not set out to " Turn the game on its head" ...instead...)

.    - Lets establish our goal to turn a bunch of folks on this forum into WINNERS , by establishing a bet selection/bet amount strategy that works well under " most" casino conditions, with a focus on what to do WHEN IT IS NOT winning...how to adjust, accordingly.

Thousands and Thousands of once large companies no longer around, even with bright minds....brilliant ,single-minded leadership, who could not change, could not adapt...

.    - ours will not be the be-all/end all Billion€Baccarat system...that is highly unlikely, and highly impossible.

     - but we CAN achieve success in other ways...

( Back tomorrow am...)

Kevin

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wolfat

Hi K,

I am currently retired and  still "curious" about the game, after more than 25 yrs si...

count on me!

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56 minutes ago, XDotNet said:

Couple of thoughts

1. We should set a time expectation....I don't know how much work you have done Kevin but if we are bootstrapping and testing rules, this will be a more long term project. Changes and tests/re-test take time

2. I don't know how to solve the "if you don't participate you don't get it" problem but i'm not a fan of that. There was a big controversy about sharing Norms FTS a while back and while I respect the decision, the shame of hiding Norms system is that the FTS knowledge will be lost when the holders of it pass on. We're not all going to live forever. 

3. Offsite development and testing, probably a good idea until we can form a solid theory with preliminary testing.

Hey XD

 

Not picking on you!

You have outlined a great approach, especially were this truly a scientific matter.

     -( problem is, it's not that simple)

We have a 50/50 gaming proposition, for which we intend to apply " rules" which combine approaches toward " unusual shoe bias" ( at least seems that way, if only for awhile) , with solid math concepts like " regression to the mean " ( 50/50)

It's there. Just can you " see it"?

 

 

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Kevin,

I thanked you earlier today off line and thanking you again now online.... whatever grouping you decide is best for presenting what you have in mind, will be effective, I'm sure....you are very organized and patient in the way you present your ideas... just keep in mind that we all learn a little differently..but I think everyone replying is motivated enough to work hard and learn whatever your new idea may be....I know I am....

Rick

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10 hours ago, kachatz1 said:

Hey XD

 

Not picking on you!

You have outlined a great approach, especially were this truly a scientific matter.

     -( problem is, it's not that simple)

We have a 50/50 gaming proposition, for which we intend to apply " rules" which combine approaches toward " unusual shoe bias" ( at least seems that way, if only for awhile) , with solid math concepts like " regression to the mean " ( 50/50)

It's there. Just can you " see it"?

 

 

Sounds good Kevin, I'm happy to pitch in!

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On 8/21/2017 at 6:53 AM, kachatz1 said:

No charge, William.

But you will have to be a card-carrying member of the Premium Member forum to learn how to extract the next $50-100K from your casino.

You call me, Same $50/ month to belong...but...I can get you way more than $50K

Kevin 

ok I come in to give a try,

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OK, OK....so seeing I have a dentist appointment next Monday, I can see I am " pulling teeth" to gain your participation.

          -  with my only objective to help you, how about " this" for your homework assignment.

Lets build a " system" based strictly on TRIGGERS

121

222

333

212

etc, etc.

         -  you all have your favorite triggers...Almost any new system developed has " switch/switch back " points after a 1,2,3 loss in a row 

          - flat betting, that is 1,1,1

Not sure any system has been developed just based on " bet selection " TRIGGERS...nothing else!

(perhaps you know of one...)

( perhaps we can improve upon it)

( Either way, likely we can really come up with something worthwhile/a true money-maker)

So, what are you favorites????

 

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Also, understand that the way I look at it, with w.a.y.over 100 Premium members on this forum, likely have collectively played far more > 25,000 shoes, if we cannot come up with a list of at least 25 " go-to-triggers", thinking best to take this off forum, and just work with those of you really looking for their next $50,000.

          - ( might get a better response?)

I'm on vacation next 3 days in mid-coastal California.. Will check in/comment when/where I can...

Hoping you are not " hopeless" , and you actually believe we can do this!

Because.

We can.

( Just ask Roy Rogers what his horse's name was...)

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K,

here are my favourite. I don't believe it works everywhere but they do it in my casino.

4,2  2,4. go for RPTs

when a shoe start with 2 RPTs or 3 OPTs  iar, I go otr till +2/-1

A

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