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So I'm here at the Gold Coast testing out the app that we're going to release here next week. It's a Suite application that has two approaches programmed.  One is the ore count and the other is the St count which is the one where I encourage folks to keep track of the average score and the most common score and the trending of scores on each side. This application allows you to do this with pinpoint accuracy and makes it very easy to see trending. I'm trying to do this on my cell phone while sitting at the Java shop here so you'll have to bear with me a little bit. The St which I developed very easily pointed out the strong side and the switches in the runs in this game I'll go through it in more detail I had a great shoe playing it at stadium baccarat. I'll just post the screenshots and we'll get into a detailed explanation when I'm at the hotel room I'll be at the MGM Grand if anyone is around.

 

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@Keith Smith - Looking forward to reading your analysis on ST (Score Tracking).

An interesting feature you might try out while there is the ability to "Dial In" the score average calculation. ST(app) defaults to use the past 7 hands to get the average score, but you may want to try...say 5 or 4 back to make the average score to react quicker (or slower per your preference).

To Change the setting: Long Click on the settings icon in the upper right. Scroll down to ST Settings >> "Select Score Average Length." It can be changed (and back) at any point in the shoe.

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Scott I got your message me and xtb just finished the video I need to edit it an information is coming sit tight for a day or two. I'm currently in Vegas I got to meet Kevin this afternoon at the Red Rock and then action Mike and then I'll be able to sit down and do some more with the video we made okay

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2 hours ago, Scott said:

Does anyone know how,when,where, to get the ST (score Tracking ) APP and how to use it

Hi Scott, I just wanted to add to what @Keith Smith said....

It will be available on the Beat The Casino Google Play app store. Like Keith said, we recorded a video yesterday that demonstrates the app and you can always pm or post questions.

We are currently jumping through Googles hoops to get the app published. Once they bless everything, it'll be available and Keith will post the details.

Stay tuned for Keith's announcement! 

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OK here is the functionality video release is Next week as soon as I get Google set up correctly and app is totally approved will be available in the play store under BeatTheCasino.com Account. 

We will place details in this thread. Click watch in you tube for full screen. Link is private for the video please do not share yet. 

 

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This is dynamite and a game-changer!!!

 

 

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14 hours ago, Keith Smith said:

 

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OK here is the functionality video release is Next week as soon as I get Google set up correctly and app is totally approved will be available in the play store under BeatTheCasino.com Account. 

We will place details in this thread. Click watch in you tube for full screen. Link is private for the video please do not share yet. 

 

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This is dynamite and a game-changer!!!

 

 

Great job on the video Keith! Looks good!

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                                                   ( - I’ve been privy to a preview of this . )

Fasten your seatbelt now, because pretty soon, I will recommend to Keith and XTB to monetize this one…

Not just pretty soon..

                                                          Real Soon  

 

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Ok Team the APP is Available for BTC Premium Members for 197.  Please know that @XDN has spent countless hours over the last few months developing this app and this app will be a game changer for you I am sure.  It will allow you to keep detailed statistics about the Most Common Score the Average Hand Score and also the trending for the ST Side. Additionally it will Calculate the ORE Count for you.  We will have updates coming with the V87 and others that will be added to it. This app allows you to track your shoes while you play online or at Stadium.  You can then email your shoe to anyone, ad cut and paste it into SBI as it automatically translates the shoe to SBI Shorthand and Excel.

The app sells for 397 for non members and the only reason it is 397 is the maximum price for an app is $400 usd on Google.  After you purchase it you will receive a code that will allow you to download it from Google play without being charged.  Please allow a few hours to receive the code.

 

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=btc.btcsuite1

 

Buy it here

https://forum.beatthecasino.com/store/

 

Questions post it here please so all can benefit

 

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I guess I'm the first to see your question Scott and I'll let Eric (XDot) answer in more detail but the bottom line is that it's not available for iPhone or any Apple products.  I also use an iPhone but I had some old Samsung's laying around (Android) and installed it on one of those.  You can pick up an old Android on eBay or many other places for next to nothing.

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Thinking many have IPhone ( Me2)

     Hoping can be adapted before it gets copied..perhaps future releases will be for both, at the same time…

More important is the thought-process behind this…Eric and Keith keeping  BTC up-to-date, and ahead of the pack

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29 minutes ago, kachatz1 said:

Thinking many have IPhone ( Me2)

     Hoping can be adapted before it gets copied..perhaps future releases will be for both, at the same time…

More important is the thought-process behind this…Eric and Keith keeping  BTC up-to-date, and ahead of the pack

And KEvin Too!

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2 hours ago, Scott said:

Could someone please tell me if and or how you can download the ST Suite app onto an I Phone

You need Android Phone Scott @Scott Grab a used one on Ebay and use it for the app only probably is a good way to do it rather than your primary phone. Set it right by Stadium Baccarat or on your leg when at a table.  That's what I did at Resorts World Last week.

Punch in the numbers.

 

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@Scott @kachatz1 .... All

Thanks for the comments. It comes down to the matter of time for me. Android and Apple are two different programming languages with big enough differences that I'd basically have to learn a new language and double the time I spend coding, testing and maintaining two separate releases. With a full time job, daughters school & extracurricular activities and my wife working open to close at her job most days from being short staffed, it's just not possible.

I'm not a fan of carrying two devices around either but....

Used Android phones are cheap, $50-$100. That's 5-10 $5 units in online/stadium play, 1 unit or less for a lot of players at a table. The phone doesn’t have to be new or connected to a cell network; it can just use the WIFI on the phone to download the app from Google Play and email.

Some good sources are eBay, your local phone repair shop, pawn shop or Craigslist. Also, friends and family, there is usually an extra phone around, I've got 3, my retired father has 2 sitting in a drawer for example. Just make sure the phone is running android 5 or higher. My only purchase advice is, look closely to make sure the screen is not cracked.

Here is a link to an ebay search as an example. This will give you an idea of the price of used android devices. If it were me, my first choice would be a I would be a Samsung Galaxy Note 4/5/6/7/8, next choice Samsung S third Samsung A/J ... just about anything. I do like Samsung Galaxy Notes, good quality, big clear screens and they usually have the leading edge cpus that were available when they were built. I develop and test on a Galaxy Note 8. I prefer Samsung, but that is just a personal opinion. Any Android device will do.

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?LH_FS=1&LH_RPA=1&_nkw=used samsung phones&LH_BIN=1&_dcat=9355&_geositeid=0&Screen%20Size=5%2E0%20%2D%205%2E4%20in|5%2E5%20%2D%205%2E9%20in|6%20in%20or%20More&LH_PrefLoc=1&_udhi=100&LH_FR=1&rt=nc

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And the testing on Google and navigating the interface to upload, approval process and the like was time consuming and complicated since we don't have a dedicated staff. It's me and Eric going oh the answer is here and watch this video I screen shot for you.  

 

I will see what can be done but we need support at the Android level to help fund the project. Some have ask why  we are charging for it?  To pay Eric and support the club so we can continue to keep BTC the best there is .  We are a hell of a lot better than what's out there. 

 

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Was fortunate to spend quite a bit of time ( here in Las Vegas) with XTN a few years back, when he was new to the forum. Then he joined us for International Baccarat Symposium #2 in the Bahamas about 2 years ago, pre-COVID.

Listen carefully.
He’s got it going on.

Really thinking this just the beginning for him…Im pretty sure there is lots more to come…

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5 hours ago, Westfoot11 said:

Are we going to have live shoe play demonstrating this app in action and to discuss how to use the app to make better bet selections in the shoe?

Yes is the Short answer I just trying to find the time. Understand that The APP can be used in conjuction with any Baccarat Approach. The ST adds greater granularity to the statistics that you already track.  5d Is now 9D with out much more effort. Here is a promotional video I just finished. A few more thigs Clarified about the app and how to use.  I will get to it asap.

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There is never only one statistic to look at to consider making a bet at this granular level. When you are playing a "Whole Game" strategy, you are looking at one statistic only. For example, if you play, let's say Time Before Last, you only consider what happened two hands back to determine what to bet.

This app and many other approaches look at a combination of statistics to make an intelligent bet.  As a Research Doctor looks for a specific molecule that will halt the production of a disease or aging, you also have to take this approach.  I will look and compare statistics in a game and find the combination of characteristics that lend themselves to a specific event or type of play.  I am ( amongst other things on my plate) writing an essay on what I call the "Sick Shoe."  Shoes that you can identify something is wrong with them using statistical analysis to predict what will happen. And then, to confirm when these characteristics are present to look for the same elements in another shoe to exploit it. We do this now with V87, 5d,  ORE, XTB, DNA, etc. I am looking at a combination of statistics to make a bet. While all these approaches are helpful, they are rendered more efficient and accurate by digging and looking into the reasons for the bias.  That is looking to the numeric reasoning behind the bias. The app allows you to calculate quickly and compare the measures of center, i.e., the average score on two planes, the statistical average, and the mode average, or as we call it, the most common score.  We are used to identifying Most Common as it compares to two in a row or three in a row.  Now we can also qualify the most common by the average score. 

Briefly, until my full essay is finished, think of this when looking at a game. And this is the way to play to feel more and consider more instead of betting more.  I am trying to figure out when to stop betting a run. Look at the strong side bias and the average length previously.  Now add the MC score to the analysis and the Disparity of the average score.  Could you make an intelligent or educated guess now with those two statistics added? You BET!

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@GerryM @Keith Smith has the most experience using ST, but even as a newbie to ST, I have seen it be a valuable tool to my tool box. So far I've used it mostly to "fine tune" the system I'm already playing.

Quick example: A couple of weeks ago while testing, I was playing a shoe online at Bovada using mostly ORE bets...and keeping score on the ST app.

My "aha" moment, when I started to see the value of keeping hand scores was, ... In the shoe I was playing, Banker ST average was 1.5 or so higher than Player and Banker had more green up arrows (high scores 7,8,9) than Player. ORE was doing well, I think I was +3 with ORE alone. The next ORE bet that would continue the pattern (that was winning) was Player. So on the app, I swiped back to the ST tab and quickly noted Banker average was higher than Player *AND* Banker had many more green/up arrows (high scores) recently and overall than Player. The ST stats contradicted what ORE was telling me. The app had ST already calculated, so at a very quick glance I could see the contradiction. I skipped the recommended Player ORE bet, and good thing, Banker won. The next few events, I stopped betting ORE events that recommended Player because ST showed that Banker scores were, on average higher and Banker had mostly green arrows (high scores). I can't remember every detail about that shoe, it's been 2-3 weeks ago, but I do remember my "aha" moment and that in the shoe I was playing, it helped me avoid at least 2 or 3 missed bets because ST stats contradicted what ORE recommended. Skipping those 2 or 3 missed bets was the difference between a good shoe and a great shoe. I think I ended up +7 flat betting in that shoe, one of my best shoes of late. Summary, ORE was working very well in the shoe, ST helped me "fine tune" the ORE bets.

Honestly, in the past, I've never kept hand scores, I think mostly because it was time consuming, the app really helps with that as you can see on the videos. But @CANADABACC @kachatz1 @Keith Smith kept talking about it and they have made a believer out of me. I'm seeing improved results in my bet selection. Will it always work? We all know the answer, this is Baccarat so no some shoes are just wonky. Is it a valuable tool to enhance your bet selections? My opinion is yes. Does the app help, without a doubt. Having all that information instantly and automatically calculated helps me/us keep our focus on reading the shoe instead of calculating the math. Game changer for me.

Like @Keith Smith has said, it's multi-faceted. You can use these statistics to "fine tune" the system you are playing or make stand alone bets with ST. Keith has played the most shoes using ST at this point, so I'll let him address what he has discovered interpreting the information. But also read some of @CANADABACC s threads about DNA/Naturals, I think @GB09 has commented on it as well. Valuable stuff.

Hope this helps!

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