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Good video on V87. Thanks Kevin and Keith.  When I am looking at a betting situation, one of the best attributes I am finding with BTC Suite is the ability to swipe from ST over to V87 looking for any red (Hot) indicators, and then swipe over to ORE to see if there is a +1 to 0 bet or a -1 to 0 betting opportunity.  It doesn't take long and I only have to enter the score only once to view the 3 screens. 

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It automatically calculates three game strategies. So if you think about it most of the strategies we've pursued and all bac players have pursued is one that deals with individual components 5d v87 etc.

We just made an exponential jump by using the app now it'll analyze three sophisticated game strategies utilizing  multiple individual statistics.

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Fantastic video!

I wanted to chime in and highlight a V87 app feature.

The number counts are only the 1/2 of it.... keep an eye on the most recent trends as well.

Get to know the progress bar colors, they will help you see recent trends that number counts can hide.

 

In the shoe played by @kachatz1 and @Keith Smith in the video, player 1g2 dominated over player 1s1 in the first part of the shoe. Then the shoe completely changes....

 

Hand 26  Player 1s1     1s1 = 1      1g2 = 6           1g2 is without a doubt dominating at this moment.

1g2 progress bar is red...it is HOT

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Hand 27 - Player 1s1  1s2  = 2     1g2 = 6

No change in colors

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Hand 29 - Player 1s1  1s2  = 3     1g2 = 6

Both 1s1 and 1g2 progress bars went green.  2 of the last 3  Player V87 Events have went 1s1...a change

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Hand 31 - Player 1s1  1s2  = 34    1g2 = 6

1s1 goes red for "Hot"

1g2 goes blue for "Cold"

2 of the last 3  Player V87 Events have been 1s1...its HOT...on a roll. Even though 1g2 count is higher...player is hot "Most Recently"  

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Hand 37 is where the chop run finally stopped and the shoe went on that banker run.

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The counts can mislead at times, like in this shoe. Get to know the progress bar colors, they will help you see recent trends that number counts can hide.

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On 9/30/2021 at 5:11 AM, Hellboy said:

So if I got a significantly higher average on 1 side, which also showed a higher MC on that side, and 2 or 3 green arrows that were trending upwards, then I felt I had a good betting opportunity, and I did. So often I saw 2 or 3 green arrows going up on 1 side, while on the other side a red downward arrow would appear corresponding with that sides average starting to decrease

On 10/11/2021 at 9:59 PM, Hellboy said:

I have been looking at the 2nd line. I have found the highest average score on the current side to be helpful in predicting a 2nd line result or not. I have been using 7 as the row indicator length to keep the average recent.  So I have started at hand 8 in the shoe. In play if I had a player or Banker result and the average score was in front, +/- a green arrow, and the MC was there, I would bet for the 2nd liners.  This worked well throughout the shoes.  The best result I found was that it eliminated a number of  potential 2 liner bets.

^^^^^^ THIS :) ^^^^^^^^^

We need more discussion like this. Thank you @Hellboy ! 

@All, please share your experiences on how you use the app, what it tells you, what it doesn't tell you etc. so we can work to improve it.

  

When writing an application, developers often create/work in isolation. When @Keith Smith and I discuss the app and logic (shout out to @kachatz1 too) we are only seeing it through our own eyes and experience. Posts like the one above from @Hellboy help us expand our "vision" so we can continue to make the app better.

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 XDN is spot on.

Equally important than what has transpired for the whole shoe, is WHAT HAS HAPPENED  LATELY!

I approach V87 several different ways…it is NOT a static, never-changing interpretation that always makes sense, but most recent, + hot/ cold directional indicators can get you a couple of extra units a shoe…FLAT BETTING 

BEST PART OF ALL, is V87 will lead you to better understand this: 

     - No Bet

     - Bad Bet

     - OK Bet

     - Good Bet

     - Better Bet

     - Best Bet 

Once you get thinking like this, you will really be on the right-path to improving your hit rate…

Anybody needs help, call me 850-687-3128 ( my cell…Vegas PST time zone)

( V87 / 87% Solution will convince you that most shoes are no more difficult than you choose to make them…)

Best of luck to you all…and special thanks to XDN & Keith for bringing this all out in the open!

Kevin

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A shoe I played last night online. I just used V87 on this occasion, so no scores entered.  When you look at the shoe in hindsight it may be easy to see the chop and therefore say I could have got 3 or 4 units easily there.  What's so special here? The 1st screenshot is of the first 8 hands, and I'm looking at an opportunity here even though it is very early in the shoe. The player and Banker have had 2 singles so far with the Banker going to 3 on one occasion.  So no real indicator for a chop section just yet.  On V87 my player 1s1 is RED, my Banker 1s1 is green as Banker has gone to 3 once already, and my combined is also RED. They say that 2 out of 3 ain't bad. LOL.  Anyway I bet the Banker and it won, and the player stayed 1. At hand 10 another player, and V87 is still showing RED for the player 1s1 and combined.  I'm 1 unit up so I'll bet on Banker again. Banker won and the player stayed 1. The Banker went to 3 again, and then another player. I'm 2 units up. Same situation, player 1s1 is still RED and combined is also RED. Bet Banker and won.  3 units up so normally finish for me.  Another player shows. Everything is still the same. 16 hands have passed with virtually the same pattern - a TBL pattern.  So maybe food for thought here, as a shoe section change could be looming.  GB09 and others including myself have talked about the length of shoe sections in the modern baccarat game with pre- shuffled cards. Many of these can be 7-10 hands or 10-15 hands on the longer ones. Another aspect is that this is the 6th potential single player iar, so now statistics may come into the equation as 5/1 and 6/1 of any event (except SS) is relevant to our next selection.  The next player repeated and would have lost. The TBL continued for another 3 hands and then changed to an OTB4L section. Admittedly this was early in the shoe with maybe a bit of luck as well, however the V87 in this case helped confirm what I was thinking and planning in this situation, so I was more confident in the bet.  Of course the first bet could have lost and I would have been down a unit. These are very common starts to a shoe in general (small TBL and OT runs of 8-10 hands). IMO. Note that once the shoe section changed, our RED colour would change to a GREEN colour. This may of course change to a 1g2 or a 2s2 indicator. 

I will aim to do a mid shoe section from 1 of the shoes I play today. 

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thinking HB, your experience is not a random occurrence … reminds us all they V87 just ‘designed’/ created to get us a few ( net) units a shoe..then again, YMMV, depending on UR unit size 

BIGGEST PROBLEM peeps encounter with it? 
 

( they are afraid,

they are reluctant,

they are unwilling ) 

 

-to quit while they are ahead…

      -to get out while the getting-is-good

           -to worry too much how the dessert might taste,  even though  they are already ‘stuffed’ by the main meal…

 

Don't be a glutton at the Baccarat table… a couple of (net) units a shoe and you will be eternally thankful for the people trying to show you how…

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I spent some time yesterday playing with V87, but more importantly I just looked at and studied the screen and the contents. I also replayed shoes and looked at the screen after each play. (You can use SBI of course). Why stare at the screen?  I learnt many years ago that students (medical,  science, any) would read an examination or case study the first time, and would quickly come up with their answers, an get into it. Maybe pass or not.  However, if the students took the time to read the question a 2nd time and underline or highlight key points in that question, they would invariably do a lot better more consistently.  V87 can also be looked at too quickly IMO. The colours are fantastic and easy to recognise.  However looking at it a second time, there is much more information there to use. There are 3 sections of course. The 1st is the 'Combined' which gives us the whole shoe information. This in itself can tell us if the shoe is a 'chop' or 'run' shoe through the values of 1s1 and 1g2. The highlight will also indicator a recent, neutral (hasn't happened recently) or cold (may have been a chop early in the shoe but none since for example). The 'player' and 'Banker' sections will also indicate what's happening in their particular sides as with the 'Combined'. In the past we have used SAP/EC (event count) in different programs such as XDX, Vinsap etc, which in a lot of cases relied on the disparities between 1iar, 2iar, 3iar, and 4iar. A lot of work but did get results. Basically you were looking for a disparity of 2 (3 was the number recommended by Way2Fast for a safer result) between these rows for a betting opportunity. If you recorded both sides separately you wanted a disparity of 2 on a side for a betting opportunity.  V87 gives all this information on the screen without all the record keeping.  Each of those highlighted has numbers beside them, so you can easily identify any disparities.  SAVES so much time.  Thank you Kevin and XDN.  Once you look at it this way for a number of shoes, the whole process will become a lot easier and rewarding. 

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On 10/14/2021 at 10:58 AM, XDN said:

Bugfix for "Tie First Hand" bug, reported by @Hellboy and @Adz is now pushed to Google for review.

Googles review process can take hours to a couple of days. Either @Keith Smith or I will post when it's approved and ready for you to update.

 

BTW: Appreciate the feedback. I test exhaustively but it's hard to get every scenario. So if you get a bug, let me know. Thank you.

"Tie First Hand" BugFix now live on Google.

Please consider leaving a review for the app on google play, they really do help!

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=btc.btcsuite1

 

Included are some minor tweaks to ST Recommendations. Please start collecting feedback about the recommendations, including shoe and screenshots if possible regarding your thoughts on the "formula" for recommendations. For example, if you think the app should have produced a strong side/choppy in a certain situation. We'll start a thread for discussion soon so we (together) can make it the best possible.

Thank you!

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Absolutely love this app. It will move your bet selection percentage up 40-60% and that is definately a winner. Have done nothing but make money even while learning how to use it. Keith,Kevin,XDN should be very proud of what they accomplished. Can't wait for them to add 4D  Thank you all,  Scott Thiele

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Update coming. I've just pushed a new release of the app to Google Play. When they get it approved (3-5 days usually) i'll let y'all know. Included in this release....

1. ORE - Minor bug fix to correct the count in the first 2 hands. (Thanks @mookie and @Hellboy)

2. O/R Count - I've added the O/R count to the counts on the top display (see screenshot).

3. ST - 7,8,9s count - Inspired by @kachatz1! When @Keith Smith and @kachatz1 did the V87 video, I heard Kevin say, several times "Banker has x more 7,8,9's." He said it enough that I thought it must be important, so I added it. A "Long Click/Press" anywhere on the MC labels will toggle from MC to 7,8,9 counts. When the game is reset, the app defaults back to MC.

4. ST SS/Choppy Recommendations - Improvements and updates. I'll be posting the rules in another thread for discussion. @Keith Smith and I hope to see a lot of discussion about the ST recommendation rules so we can make it the best we can.

O/R Count                                              Long Click/Press in the Red Square Toggles MC and 7,8,9s count

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I've noticed an "interplay" in V87 with the "Hot/Neutral/Cold" indicators that I hope you folks with the app will keep an eye out for so we can see if it is "something" or not.

 

This is a (randomly chosen) shoe from SBI Shoe # 6362 The arrow is hand 29 in the screenshots below.

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All the disclaimers apply, yes, it might not have turned out this way, hindsight analysis, cherry picked shoe etc... All true, but, I'm finding this very interesting in real play and worthy of attention.

 

Hand 27 is the end of a multiples shoe section...the shoe is about to change. We can see "the 1's" (1s1 & 1g2) all agree 1g2 is the boss, all across the board.

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At hand 29 we get our first 2x1iar in a long time and we can see that, even though PB is still showing a hot and cold side, Combined just became neutral.  Could this "decoupling" of Combined and PB V87 counts be a "shoe change" signal? Keep an eye out and see if you are observing the same thing.

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Hand 30 - One hand later, Combined switches sides and Banker goes neutral to "confirm" what combined just displayed.

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Hand 31 - Player "confirms" the change after that.

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Summary: 2 hands into the shoe change, at hand 29, we had a potential "signal." The decoupling of PBC "hot and cold" status. This 1iar run went on to hand 33. 

 

Second Example: When the iar run turns into a 1,2,1,2 section at hand 34

Hand 34 We get our 1's 2ndLnr in a while. All PBC are all lined up for 1s1.

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Hand 38 - PBC counts "decouple" and (in hindsight) we can see the shoe changed. Combined goes neutral first.

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Hand 41 - Player confirmed that IT changed (not banker, banker is still presenting 1's).

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Closing thoughts: I finally got a chance to play some shoes online this weekend and noticed this in real time play.

- Sometimes you *may* see Combined telegraph a shoe change.

- Sometimes P or B go neutral before combined, that *might* telegraph a change.

- When counts never get out of "Neutral" for a whole shoe....well not sure exactly what this means yet. Might be OTBL, might be time to leave that table.

- Also, saw a lot of one side is neutral the whole shoe while the other side and combined presented good betting opportunities. BIG BUT  with the app you can see all 3. If you were only to take into account combined, you might give back some of the units you won on the SS. Because combined, was being "controlled" by banker. Like in this obviously SS banker shoe. Player was waffling about, 1's...2's...  nothing to bet there, banker NEVER decoupled from combined. SBI SHOE# 8880

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Good stuff XDN. This will be a very valuable tool as players get more used to using it,  and being able to identify and relate to what's happening in the shoe at that time. The last screenshot of SBI #8880 shows just how much of a 1g2 shoe this was. Hindsight maybe, but these indicators will stand out more as you progress through the shoe.  A chop shoe would show the same qualities but just in a different line. 

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I used the term 'hindsight' in the last post. The term has always been a 'trigger' to me in realising just how many people don't think, or don't know how to think. It has also put me into another page of posting. LOL. Expressions like 'everything looks good in hindsight' 'anyone can solve it then'. Even the wizards around the world (baccarat or others) give us the classic line 'you cannot predict the future by past events'...... not true IMO. Think how the world would be without looking at the past to improve the future. 'But we are talking about baccarat and probability' they will say. You cannot beat the maths. Yes and no IMO.  When you are playing a game of baccarat, how many times do you look at the scoreboard, scorecard, individual  results, double check those results; in fact it would be hundreds of times a game. What's this got to do with anything? Well everything you look at, at anytime, the brain virtually 'takes a photo' of that event and either will discard or keep depending on its relevance to the person or situation. I relate the word 'hindsight' to mean 'experience', so a positive term not a negative or derogatory term. The more games you play, the more photos you will take and keep because the game has meaning to you. This is where another debatable term comes into play called 'gut feeling'.  The process - 'gut feeling' is an accumulation of all those thousands of photo you have taken, so when a particulate situation presents itself your 'hindsight/ experience/ gut feeling' will offer you a solution to that situation.  You may win the hand, or you may not.  We cannot forget our friend variance.  Once again 'gut feeling' will be frowned upon by Wizards and mathematician etc because 1+1 always equals 2.  V87 with use, will help you to tap into your hindsight/ experience/ gut feeling to confirm or re- enforce a decision you may be looking at. It's still probability and a best guess, but it may get you closer to that 1+1=2, and make you more focused, confident, and relaxed to enable you to get those 2-3 units. 

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Right on @Hellboy! It's the nature of trying to categorize a random system. We have to evaluate the past. I like the way you put it!

I went ahead and started a new thread for V87 tips and discussion with the post above. Hope we see some discussion!

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XDN - Would i be possible to collect and display the banker/player hand values (including the natural indicator)in v87 (similar to what is displayed in the  banker/ player columns on the ST side) ? We wouldn't need the average scores or the arrows.

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2 hours ago, Wendel said:

XDN - Would i be possible to collect and display the banker/player hand values (including the natural indicator)in v87 (similar to what is displayed in the  banker/ player columns on the ST side) ? We wouldn't need the average scores or the arrows.

Hi @Wendel When you enter a hand, that hand goes into all 3 tabs.

A "short press/click" on the PBT buttons adds a non-numeric PBT. A "long press/click/press & hold down" on the PBT buttons will pop up the numeric entry screen. When the number pad pops up, Enter your numbers and press the go button. The hand will go into all 3 systems tabs.

Let me know if that answers your question, Thank you!

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Update is live in the Google Play Store. You can update in the Google Play app on your device or just follow this link. Thanks again!

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=btc.btcsuite1

On 10/24/2021 at 4:17 AM, XDN said:

Update coming. I've just pushed a new release of the app to Google Play. When they get it approved (3-5 days usually) i'll let y'all know. Included in this release....

1. ORE - Minor bug fix to correct the count in the first 2 hands. (Thanks @mookie and @Hellboy)

2. O/R Count - I've added the O/R count to the counts on the top display (see screenshot).

3. ST - 7,8,9s count - Inspired by @kachatz1! When @Keith Smith and @kachatz1 did the V87 video, I heard Kevin say, several times "Banker has x more 7,8,9's." He said it enough that I thought it must be important, so I added it. A "Long Click/Press" anywhere on the MC labels will toggle from MC to 7,8,9 counts. When the game is reset, the app defaults back to MC.

4. ST SS/Choppy Recommendations - Improvements and updates. I'll be posting the rules in another thread for discussion. @Keith Smith and I hope to see a lot of discussion about the ST recommendation rules so we can make it the best we can.

O/R Count                                              Long Click/Press in the Red Square Toggles MC and 7,8,9s count

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Also, those of you using ST, please email the shoes and cc the admin address (it pops in automatically). The more "numeric" shoes the better for testing the recommendations algorithm. Thanks much!

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As you might be aware, I'm using BlueStacks on my PC to run the app for the Tuesday night play sessions.  Everything works great but it doesn't allow me to email the results.  I have the Gmail app installed on this computer but I guess since it doesn't interact directly with my PC, it doesn't "recognize" my Gmail app.  Anyway, if you know of any work around for this, that would be great...if not, we can still work with screenshots after the play session is over.

Thanks XDN,

And also thanks for the fixes/updates!!

Mike

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1 hour ago, mookie said:

As you might be aware, I'm using BlueStacks on my PC to run the app for the Tuesday night play sessions.  Everything works great but it doesn't allow me to email the results.  I have the Gmail app installed on this computer but I guess since it doesn't interact directly with my PC, it doesn't "recognize" my Gmail app.  Anyway, if you know of any work around for this, that would be great...if not, we can still work with screenshots after the play session is over.

Thanks XDN,

And also thanks for the fixes/updates!!

Mike

Hmmm.... Gmail on the computer, but is it installed inside of Bluestacks? Check that first and we'll take it from there :)

I'll put some screenshots here of the steps. @mookie you probably know how to do this, but the screenshots might help someone else down the road. Let me know if that does it. If not we'll go to the next step.

 

Go to Play Store within BlueStacks when you start it up.

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Type Gmail in the search box, click on the "Gmail" result and the app install should pop up.

Click install - When you click install, Gmail setup should pick up your GMail email address that is linked to the play store. If not put it in. It'll ask for your password and the setup should complete.

Once the install is complete, use the back button (highlighted by the red arrow at the bottom right) to go back to the apps page. In BlueStacks this tiny arrow is the equivalent to the "Back Button" on a phone or tablet.

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Plug in a few hands to test. In the upper left hand area of the app, swipe left to right.

Click Email Current Game

 

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If you've configured the "SendTo" email address in settings it should pop in. Otherwise type in the "SendTo" email address and click the blue arrow on the top right to send. Please allow the app to cc the admin address, I need shoes with scores to test with. Thank you.

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After sending, Gmail will automatically close and return back to BTCSuite

 

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App update available on Google Play.  Google approved this update amazingly fast!

I've updated recommendations and added a new setting, but this update is more "behind the scenes" changes than functional changes.

Recommendations Updates - O/R Count was added to filter out choppy recommendations in repeat shoes and SS recommendations in choppy shoes. I haven't seen the inverse SS recommendation yet but in testing I did see the inverse choppy condition. O/R count handles that situation nicely. This has only happened in about 1 out of 20 shoes, but In Baccarat, Whatever Can Happen Will Happen. This is why I have to keep testing and getting feedback from y'all.

New Setting - Collapse/Un-collapse recommendations. You can now choose if you would like to leave the recommendations rows "expanded" or have them collapse. Collapse is the default setting. It is a little different "look" especially since the "trends" will have skips in recommendations rows, so you might not want to use it. Up to you. I added this for testing and thought I'd share it with y'all. What you might choose to do is play the shoe in "normal mode." When done, go to settings, turn off "collapse" and go back. The screen will re-draw with all the recommendations where they occurred in the game. Good for analysis. Screenshots below of the 2 modes.

***Also included were many background code enhancements that you won't see to improve certain error conditions and enhance code quality.

Special thanks to @Hellboy @Adz and @Nate W for cc'ing the emailed shoes to the admin address. I've got a "formatter" written so I can simply copy/paste the shoes and use them to test the app. Keep putting them in SBI, but if you would, please allow the app to cc them to the admin email address. 

Keep sending those shoes to the admin email address, I especially need ST shoes with scores.

The more shoes I can test with, the better the app can become. 

Thank you!

 

Normal / Default Mode - Recommendations collapse.

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New Setting - Collapse Recommendations Stay "expanded"

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Setting - 

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