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Thanks John

I reset your user ID, hope this helps the PM-ing

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Hi Ellis

How many previous plays would you need to look at for this?

Cheers

Ezza

One other detail not addressed in either Andrea's rules or the standard rules: Whet if you note that one of your modes in never winning more than say 2 or 3 bets in a row, whichever it is. Isn't that another strong switch signal that currently BOTH methods are ignoring? All runs end sometime.

I'm not trying to be a party pooper, just looking for OPTIMUM rules.

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Hi Everyone

I was tinkering today and programming *more* options into the "monolith" and realized I could have tested this system ages ago using the base system in combination with a single loss switch system...

Anyhow, to cut a long story short, I found the following the best for MVS+ using my "Find Best" button:

1) The start favours an RD1 immediate start. I tested waiting from 3 to 10 plays using various counts and with fallbacks of either TB4L/OTB4L/RD1

2) After the first loss after the shoe start using RD1 and after switching to OTB4L, I found switching to TB4L after three losses and switching back to OTB4L after 1 loss the best.

3) A stop loss of 14 works the best with no stop win. You can use lower stop losses but you lose in the long run

4) Not using a paper win option is better

5) Use a B1U1D2M2X6 progression, where X6 means that maximum bet you make is 6 units

Using the above resulted in a shoe average of 2.8 units for 600 odd test shoes.

I have attached a pdf showing the results for the first 100 odd shoes. The pink bits indicate the switch and the blue bits indicate OTR.

If everyone can maybe look at this PDF and "mull" over the shoes for a while, we may be able to better the shoe win rate. I have all sorts of bells and whistles for testing and switching already programmed so let's get the average units way up there if we can. Basically, that's what I do - test a system, spend countless hours reviewing the shoes, come up with ideas, program another option then press the "Find Best" button

Cheers

Ezza

MVS+.pdf

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Hi Everyone

I was wondering if anyone has cracked the search function.

I want to search for all posts with the worrd "OTB4L" in them and it only returns three posts, even if I go back 12 months.

Can someone please explain to me how to do this as I'll be buggered if I can get it working...

...and I've been in IT for 25 years

Keith or John: can one of you guys please give me access to PM's as this is still disabled. The downloads work now though...thanks

Cheers

Ezza

[Moved to Green today]

MVS

Congrats on moving to $25 units.

When I built my bankroll to $1250 (from a $500 bankroll using dimes), I decided to move to $25 units. I feel comfortable when my bankroll is 50x my unit size.

Anyhow, the next two sessions I got hit and are now playing $10 units again to get back to $1250.

I have a new rule as well:

If I lose two shoes in a row, I quit the session and go back to my program and try new ideas so that I don't lose two hands in a row.

Cheers

Ezza

[Baccarat Shoe Printer]

Hi MVS

Let me know where you had the challenge/s and I can post some more info in the OP.

I only test installed it on a couple of machines so there may be issues with other operating systems etc.

Cheers

Ezza

Ezza,

That's pretty nice. Works with a little external help and makes a nice visual for a quick check on posted shoes.

Thanks.

MVS

[Baccarat Shoe Printer]

Hi Everyone

I also forgot to mention that the generated spreadsheets are created in the program directory (c:\program files\baccarat_shoe_printer).

Hope it's useful

Cheers

Ezza

[Baccarat Shoe Printer]

Hi

I've finally created a small utility for everyone to use.

It's self explantory but basically allows you to create an excel spreadsheet from a text file that contains shoes in it (in the form p23324 etc).

I've even added an option so you can see the CS and OT count.

Simply download the program, unzip it, install it, load the shoe text file (included) and then click the "print shoe/s" button. An excel spreadsheet is then created. Instead of creating a spreadsheet with all shoes in it, simply type "1" in the text box and that will just print the first shoe so you can see what it's like.

You need excel on your computer for this to work.

http://www.beatthecasino.com/bb/downloads.php?do=file&id=28

Cheers

Ezza

[SHOE LIBRARY - Post your shoes, please]

Thanks MVS

It's good to hear a "blow-by-blow" account of how someone thinks when playing a shoe.

I've revamped the system I use (until that last shoe, I used a different hodge podge system) and the last show now plays out to +18; hitting the stop win of +18 that I set for it.

Cheers

Ezza

Well, I copied down your shoe #6 to a practice sheet yesterday and then waited until tonight to run it so I wouldn't know what was coming up.

Started OTB4L flat betting 1 unit until hand 18 where it lost two in a row for the third time in that column. OK, that should be telling me something and I made the change to TB4L for hand 19 and on.

Now playing TB4L U1D2 with a starting bet of 1. On 3 losses in a row, wait until it looks like that losing 2,2 is gone then continue the U1D2.

That happened once at hand 50-54 but once it finished, I was at +3.

Then THREE 1,2,3 (L,L,W) in a row for pretty much nothing in the third column but still positive.

It got tricky at the bottom of the third column as I was back down to +8 and did NOT want to drop below +6 so I went tip toeing with 1 unit bets to see if I could steal a little bit more from the rest of the shoe.

It did hit +10 early in the fourth column and I elected to continue but stop at +6 for the win. That 2,1,3,2 didn't help and it finished out +6 which just happens to be MY personal shoe target.

MVS (hopefully my play and thinking will kind of make sense)

[SHOE LIBRARY - Post your shoes, please]

Hi Everyone

Here's more live shoes to test with your systems.

If anyone can give me a suggestion as to what I could have done with the last shoe, it would be much appreciated

Cheers

Ezza

Burswood 29/11/09 Blue MD2 #1

b12131314112

b2121221131121

p165221111

b1121112

Burswood 29/11/09 Red MD2 #2

p1266311

p1313341121

b11253131111

b33111

Burswood 29/11/09 Blue MD2 #3

b11111321126

p1111122121115

b1221113212112

p32

Burswood 29/11/09 Red MD2 #4

b231226121

p1221341132

p1222733

p1211221

Burswood 29/11/09 Blue MD2 #5

b2131621112

b1112211125111

b1335161

p221

Burswood 29/11/09 Red MD2 #6

b211213112111111

p211312415

p1343131121

p2132

[SHOE LIBRARY - Post your shoes, please]

Hi Ellis

In answer to your questions:

Yes, the shoes are from the same table. Two decks shuffled with an MD2.

Regarding how old the cards are, I wouldn't have a clue. I play at the "Rapid Baccarat" table where you have a workstation and bet electronically while the cards are dealt by the dealer.

Also, I wouldn't have a clue if these cards are pre-shuffled or not. I do know they use pre-shuffled cards in the Riviera Room and once a shoe is dealt, they toss the cards.

Seems to be choppy but today I played 5.3 shoes and it was a disaster

I need to get up to speed on money management as I was ahead nearly $1k and now I'm even again.

The play method I used was:

Start the shoe with OTB4L or TB4L, depending whether it hits +1 or -1 first.

Continue betting the B1,D2,M3 progression while winning.

If I lose, I use BP+1,U1 where BP+1 means I start the loss progression one unit higher than the previous loss from the play progression.

I stop when I lose two in a row, reset the count and wait for it to go +1 or -1 and recommence OTB4L or TB4L.

It was working today OK but the last shoe was 56 units down...and I must have been brain dead as I should have stopped play after the first 40 hands (at -13 units). Oh well, the harder you get hit, the quicker you learn

Cheers

Ezza

MM, just curious, Were these shoes recorded from the same table? Can you give me some idea of the sequence? How old were these cards? Does this casino use factory preshuffled cards. Is this casino always this choppy?

[SHOE LIBRARY - Post your shoes, please]

Burswood 27/11/09 Blue MD2 #1

b221121511112

b1143121121111

b12221122241

p3411

Burswood 27/11/09 Red MD2 #2

b1211311223111

p11111211212111111

b22113233111

p342

Burswood 27/11/09 Red Hand #3

b1312321211111

p1(11)431

b21114221132

b21211122121

Burswood 28/11/09 Red MD2 #1

b112211214212

b311112111121112

p43314311

b126111

Burswood 28/11/09 Blue MD2 #2

b5422511

b122311111214

b131322111122

b121421111

[SHOE LIBRARY - Post your shoes, please]

Wednesday 16th September 2009 - Burswood Casino - Perth - Western Australia

8 decks - Shuffle Master MD2

SHOE #1

P3513131111

B42311153

P221214121112

P111121111

SHOE #2

P232112113211

P11213441111

B1212211111211111

P43111

Friday 20th November 2009 - Burswood Casino - Perth - Western Australia

8 decks - Shuffle Master MD2

SHOE #1 @ 10:46PM

B21111141112121

B121711115

B32311112213

P111311

Saturday 21st November 2009 - Burswood Casino - Perth - Western Australia

8 decks - Shuffle Master MD2

SHOE #1 @ 12:02AM

B32812121

B123511232

B1121142152

P12133212

SHOE #2 @ 1:18AM

P111711332

B1232122232

P12222123311

P66

Cheers

Ezza