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I am sure if they can be programmed to put the cards back in order they can be programmed on how to shuffle the cards. They did use it to save money because before they had the machines that would sort them, the dealers had to sort them back in order at the end of each shift so they were paying employees to sort the cards. The shuffle machines could do it in a quarter of the time.

Try Horseshoe instead. They have a wonderful Bacc room. Probably 30 tables. Yes. They bring the cards in the original factory box that is still sealed with plastic wrap around them. Open them up in front of you and spread them all on the table for you to see. The room at the Horseshoe is soooo nice. They even have an Asian restaurant that is open 24/7 inside the bacc room. They call it the Noodle Bar. You can get some great food there. I never when to River's. It was just opening when I left the area.

I worked at a casino in Milwaukee for three years. I know for a fact they cheated. Also, we had shuffle machines that could put the cards back in the same order they came out of the box. It was amazing. They wouldn't let put the cards back in order on the machine in front of the customers because they did it once and the customers freaked out.

Yes. I purchased many systems and never found any that worked. However I am very excited about this one. It is totally different and you back it up. I have been practicing and reading the manual over and over. I find something new each time that I have run across in my practice. I do have a question. I played a shoe last night that even though it had a positive OR count (S40) did better with (SS). Is that common? Would SS overpower S40 the majority of the time?

Are you going to the seminar in August? I have a lot of questions and Clifton said I should attend it even though it is for roulette. Will be nice to put faces to posts and meet others that are using this system. It is nice to have a system that is actually played and backed by real people that you can talk to.

Did you move from Vegas? I have often wondered if Red Rock removes some of the smaller cards so the dragon does not hit on the weekends. At the casinos in Chicago it hits about twice a shoe. An rare occasions there is not one in a shoe. One weekend when I was there it hit only twice in one day. The table had an extreme amounts of naturals like there were extra big cards in the decks. And the ss was player in both shoes. This was the same weekend that this shoe was played. I was there again later during the week and it was back to normal. But they are getting 72-76 hands in a shoe on a regular basis. I know they bring their cards out boxed and ready to go in the shuffler rather than taking them out of the boxes at the table. Guess that would be a sign that they have set them up to start out the way they want. Made sense to me when I read that it the manual and recalled that they didn't spread their cards. I am use to the casinos in Illinois. They take all the cards out at the table and spread them so you can see that they are all there and have not been tampered with.

It was a live shoe and there were a lot of natural hands. It was played at Red Rock in Vegas.

Have decided this is one of the shoes you just don't want to play.

Thanks for the info. I had no been able to get to most of the casinos. Checking them out as I have time.

So you would divide the run of four on the end of the first row? Sorry I didn't realize that.

I read the forum about what to do after you lose three in a row. I may be missing it but I never found a clear answer. I know when you first play you only bet 1 unit until you win. But during the course of a shoe, say you lose three in a row. I know you should not play a fourth if there is no history of four hands but after three hands you are down 6 units. Your stop loss is 8 units. How could you justify playing four in a row if it goes over your stop loss? And which side do you start your bet back up on?

Don't by anything from Silverthorne. Everything I have tried of theirs is a rip off. End up getting my money back because they have money back guarantees they don't back up so I filed with credit card companies and got the money back. They are just system sellers. They could care less whether they are winning or losing systems. Most of them you can find for free on the internet already anyway.

B229112114 P11315321 P4433211 P12214251121 And I need modes please. Thank you in advance.

You are so right. I bought a book called "Secrets of Winning Baccarat" by Brian D. Kayser that teaches that every event should equal out in a shoe. He taught how to mark the shoe so that you could tell what was occurring and bet that all would catch up. It was a losing situation. When there were chops, he told you to bet that the runs would catch up. Yet there continued to be more chops the majority of the time. I never played his system in a casino because of how much it lost in practice.

So where are you playing that has that many tables? I have been looking at the casinos in Vegas and have not found many bacc rooms so far. In Illinois there are actually rooms full of bacc tables but I have not found that so in Vegas. In fact, some of the Vegas casinos treat bacc like it is still a high roller game and have minimum 25 to 50 tables.

And do you mean you must wait until a 2 or 3 count or 2 or three hands?

Thanks Oz. It was an error on my part rather and a typo but I see it now.

Okay. I had it wrong. I was wanting the OR Count. But to further clear things up for me at what count should I start betting on either side? I also saw something on the forum about a change of 3 either up or down can mean the shoe is changing. Do you have any further advice on the OR count and how to use it?

Excuse me guys. I am new so I will be asking a few questions the next couple of weeks. I have a question about OT counting. say I have P BB PPPP B P BBB How would I count this? each occurance? P B -1 P -2 B -1 P 0 B -1 or does each separate hand count? P B 1 B 0 P -1 P -2 P -3 P -4 B -3 P -2 B -1 B -2 B -3

I have noticed several comments about the bootcamp manual. Where can I download that? Thanks

Thanks bluetri.

Thanks. Where is the information on the boot camp or classes?

Oh no Mr. Davis. Glad to here from you. I would just like to know what to expect and how much success others have had with this system before I spend that much money. I have tried every system out there on my computer. Most are losers. So I guess I got the price wrong. How much is the course? And does it come with the manual? Where can I get the correct cost and possibly sign up? How often do you have courses I am moving to Vegas in August so I am not sure August would be the best time for me depending on how quickly I get moved. I can't get into the NOR forum. It says I am not authorized.

So you have gone to the class yourself Paul?

What? This answer doesn't make any sense to me.