peanybutter

Hi Ellis! Thanks for the quick and detailed reply. Totally makes sense that Canada would be behind (there are a lot more Casino Patrons in the US, hence more astute players the Casinos there would have to deal with). So to answer the questions regarding presentation: With the exception of one Casino (they still offer Mini Bac), they all run EZBaccarat. The higher limits tend to offer touch, and the lower limits are non-touch. I tend to gravitate towards non-touch (it goes at a steadier pace), but I've taken notes on both and they seem to produce the same shoes based on the deck colors I have noted (not sure if you see it in the US, but the Casinos here have more than 5 different colors like Orange, Purple, Dark Blue, Light Blue). As far as I can tell, they all use preshuffled cards in a bundle (although I think might be 6 decks vs 8, since the typical # of hands is on average 50-ish) - one casino then hand shuffles in front of you before burning and dealing; all the other Casinos put into shuffle machines before using the alternate color for dealing. Anyways, thanks for all the advice and quick reply to my questions. Cheers, PB

Hi All, I haven't seen a recent post regarding it, so i decided to create a new thread. I've read the previous threads on ADnet, and as I recall, there were comments by Ellis saying to "use as a last resort". I think the post is almost 2 years old now - so I was just curious: Ellis has your position changed in any way? The reason I ask is: After reviewing the shoes I have played at the local casinos lately, I've started to realize that a lot of the shoes I play, tend to be mixed-type shoes. Where I am located (Calgary), I've noticed that most of the shoes I play are predominately F or S40 biased shoes (I'm only seeing OTB4L about 15-20% of the time). In many cases, they seem to be mixed - in the sense they start off as S40 and switch to F (or vice versa with TT runs added in the odd time). I typically do well enough to get out with a profit, but sometimes, winning just 1 unit sucks (still better than losing 1 unit - I know) when the shoe decides to "switch it up" and throw you a "curve-ball". I find many times the culprits are usually hitting 343 type patterns early enough when playing F or S40 - which seems to occur semi-regularly in the F/S40 shoes I have played. I know OTB4L can beat that pattern, but the rest of the shoe would technically decimate OTB4L with the dominance of 11213-like patterns (usually that's how the shoes start); and like I've seen posted many times by others - switching systems is typically a bad idea! So I went through the old scorecards using the rules for ADN, and found many times, I'm usually up more (or the same) - with less swings in betting and typically hitting my 10+ unit goal much faster than with standard S40 or F. I find I hit both straight runs and ZZ runs much faster than I've seen with OTB4L+ (on an OTB4L shoe of course), especially when you see a 8+iar (straight or ZZ) in the first 12 or so hands. Also with the bet suspension rules, I find it easily avoids the TT runs ADN hates; much faster in most cases than M1/M2/M3 switching in the other systems to avoid their weaknesses. So just curious - is anyone out there using ADN on a more than usual basis vs the other systems? How does it fair for you? Are there any pitfalls I should be concerned about when using this system (other than overlooking the other systems that may give me a better expected return)? Thanks in Advance, PB

Hi Everyone, Just a bit off topic, and may be I missed the right place to put it, but just wanted to say "hi" to everyone and introduce myself (before I start posting and asking questions). I live in Calgary, Canada - it's pretty decent in terms of access to Casinos - there are 7 within city limits, and another 1 or 2 about an hour away. All Casino's have upgraded tables to EZBac with tote boards - some play hand-held, some strictly dealer-only. Most use the shuffle machines, and one or two still shuffle by hand. At the hand-held tables, I am told all cards are destroyed after play - so it is a fresh deck for every shoe. Not sure how lively Bac is in other places - but yeah, it can get crazy here, especially with all the Asians that like to bet on Dragon 7 - and when it hits, watch out! I have read some posts of people and the topic about the Dragon(bet) wins, and I too find I am struggling to account for it when I have a bet on Banker; but still I am winning more shoes than not anyways. If you live in or around Calgary and use NOR/NOR+ and wanna hookup to chat about Bac or try and hit up a Casino together - please PM me (although I'm only available during the weekdays). Thank yous: I obviously wanted to thank Ellis for writing the awesome NOR manual and for providing the amazing support on this forum for the people who have purchased it. So far, it's the best online purchase I have made in many years. I've only had the manual/forum access for a month+ and have read/learned a lot. The most important asset I have found is Ellis' infinite patience and his instant willingness to share his insights/experiences. Also - thanks to Keith for making the forum run and work - I'm sure it's more than a full-time job, especially when something on the forum breaks. I also wanted to thank all the amazing regulars who contribute to the discussions on the forum, such as: MVSeahog, Papajoe, OZ, Witchygal, ztomsk, NormA, way2fast - and sorry, I know I'm missing a few more. Without your discussions and insights I would be lost and probably would have posted hundreds of questions already. As for the noobs/newbies who are starting off (like me); I think the best advice I can give is: read all you can, and then re-read it again! If you have questions, try see if they've been answered already. You'll be glad to know, most questions on Basic NOR play have already been answered long before you bought the manual. You don't know what you'll miss by being lazy and asking a question that's already been answered! Many times I find my answer just searching through old threads and posts; but in the process, I also end up reading/finding some posts on other concepts and subtleties about play that isn't in the manual or might have been long forgotten. Really, the regulars who post here are some of the most insightful and helpful I've seen (on any knowledgebase or forum), and learning from their experiences has been tremendous help. That is probably the only reason why this is my first post! Anyways - thanks again Ellis et al! (I can't say it enough) Cheers, PB