kit walker
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When I get some time tomorrow I will run this new variation off over 700+ real live casino shoes that I have recorded in last month from the MicroGaming live dealer platform (used by DublinBet, 32Red and a few other online casinos).
For some clarification Ellis, could you provide what the stop loss and stop win is?
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When Dublinbet changed platforms a month or two back they introduced a couple of additional live dealer providers. They have their usual table from Fitz in Ireland, and added both ViG (should be the same feed that BlackOrchid uses) and MicroGaming (32Red and alike) game providers as well. Recently their MicroGaming provider added a few extra tables, which means that DublinBet offers 8 live dealer online baccarat tables.
The Fitz table is playing by Super6 rules.
The ViG table is the same as BlackOrchid.
The 6 MicroGaming tables come in two flavors, turbo and normal. Normal tables give you 20 seconds to place and confirm your bets while the turbo tables only offer 10 seconds. They also burn a card before each hand is dealt.
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Ellis, do you have any further updates for the system? Where are we going from here? Do you have a time frame or schedule on when the system will be ready?
You mentioned in the public forum that a tester had a potential set of rules that seemed successful. Is that still showing promise?
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Hello and welcome Scaldedcat. Glad to see another Queenslander on the forums
I believe the reason the thread was moved to the private forum was due to some of the internal workings of the system was posted in the thread by Ellis and was immediately moved.
I do not think it was related to your posts. So do not worry.
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Without taking the stop win and loss factors into account, the lowest and highest scores at any point of the shoes were -31 and 28. And the lowest and highest scores at the end of the shoes were: -31 and 23.
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Ellis, I do understand what you saying. And yes, the sales thread states that it doesn't do well against 3s. It also states that the player decides nothing and that the system tells the player exactly what to do. In the tester version of the rules, there is nothing that tells the player when to stop betting because of Hi 3s. If the player has no hard rule for how to handle Hi 3s (i.e. stop betting and maybe switch to something more favorable) then the system is not mechanical.
If the system gave 1.5+ units per shoe on average I would have been happy. 0.5 unit per shoe is extremely low and can slide either way - especially if you land in a few shoes that start with a 1,3,X combo and you are playing from them at play 3. That shoe combo will send you to -5 every time and you cannot react to it unless you wait it out to see if the 2 goes to a 3, or the 3 goes to a 4. Or you wait until you have more shoe history before starting.
I hope you guys enjoy Vegas! I look forward to hearing about the experiences from it.
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Keith, whether the shoes were played using NOR or not, they are still shoes that were dealt by multiple online live dealer casinos within the last month. And ultimately if I had the system last month, that would be the results.
Playing purely mechanically as stated by Ellis in the sales pitch resulted in the above.
You can play it anytime anywhere in any Country. The cards don't know or care what country they are in.This system doesn't care what strategy the casino is using.
It takes on ALL casino strategies nomatter the Country.
Including ON LINE casinos as long as you are playing LIVE games on line so you KNOW they aren't cheating.
DO NOT trust random generator on line casinos.
I only deal with live dealer tables for online casinos and brick and mortar casinos. So this is not an issue.
This 2Hi system looks at every shoe as producing TWO things: Runs and Garbage.When you think about it, every shoe ever dealt, at any point within the shoe, it is producing one of two things:
Runs of any kind or Garbage. That's all she wrote.
So our 2Hi system is designed to beat two things:
Runs of any kind and Garbage of any kind.
U2Hi is PURELY 100% mechanical.Just show up and bet when the system tells you to bet, which side to bet it on and how much to bet.
So my question is how much testing was done with real shoes that were dealt at either an online live dealer casino or a brick and mortar casino? Could any of the testers post their findings on the system?
If you would like we can screen share and play a few shoes at an online live dealer casino? And we can see if we get the same results.
Either way, I will wait for the manual and video from the seminar this weekend at Vegas to see how things pan out.
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After examining the initial rules provided, I am seeking confirmation that the following shoes are played correctly. All shoes were played beyond the stop win / loss rules. Shorthand notation is provided for the entire shoe that was recorded.
This is a small sample (8) of 103 recent real live shoes that I have recorded (and bet on using NOR) from three online casino platforms in the past month. None of the shoes were randomly generated.
If I was to play the U2Hi system (with the stop win / loss rules) over the past month on those 103 shoes, I would have won 51 (49.5%) and lost 52 (51.5%) of those shoes. I would have made a profit of 53 units. This makes the average unit return per shoe to be 0.5 units or 1.04 units per winning shoe. This is massively below the ~6 units advertised.
I think the success rate could be improved if the initial hands were reviewed for unfavorable patterns, or wait for a choppy start before jumping in.
The headers in the screenshots for each shoe are as follows:
Hand = Hand Number
P = Player Bet / Result
B = Banker Bet / Result
Score = Score
PrP = OvR Net Bet Progression for player bets (figures in blue = opposite, red = repeat) - these should be exactly like the examples provided by Keith, Ellis & co.
PrB = OvR Net Bet Progression for banker bets (figures in blue = opposite, red = repeat) - these should be exactly like the examples provided by Keith, Ellis & co.
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Shoe #1:
Online Casino Platform: MicroGaming (32Red / DublinBet Multiplayer Baccarat)
B11222113111211
B112113
If stop win/loss rule used, left with score of 6.
Lowest Score = -1
Highest Score = 12
Hands = 29
Bets = 27
Wins = 17
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Shoe #2:
Online Casino Platform: MicroGaming (32Red / DublinBet Multiplayer Baccarat)
B21121152221
B11313353
P1211
If stop win/loss rule used, left with score of -5
Lowest Score = -13
Highest Score = 4
Hands = 45
Bets = 43
Wins = 18
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Shoe #3:
Online Casino Platform: MicroGaming (32Red / DublinBet Multiplayer Baccarat)
P141225221
B1313212111211
P33211
If stop win/loss rule used, left with score of -5
Lowest Score = -12
Highest Score = 0
Hands = 50
Bets = 48
Wins = 22
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Shoe #4:
Online Casino Platform: Visionary iGaming (BlackOrchid / DublinBet ViG)
P1253221112
P1141211711
B1312111111
If stop win/loss rule used, left with score of -5
Lowest Score = -6
Highest Score = 8
Hands = 53
Bets = 51
Wins = 29
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Shoe #5:
Online Casino Platform: Visionary iGaming (BlackOrchid / DublinBet ViG)
P22121114132
P31112327
B13152
If stop win/loss rule used, left with score of -5
Lowest Score = -6
Highest Score = 4
Hands = 52
Bets = 50
Wins = 23
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Shoe #6:
Online Casino Platform: MicroGaming (32Red / DublinBet Multiplayer Baccarat)
B212115512
P1111111111211123
P112111
If stop win/loss rule used, left with score of 6
Lowest Score = -3
Highest Score = 23
Hands = 47
Bets = 45
Wins = 30
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Shoe #7:
Online Casino Platform: Visionary iGaming (BlackOrchid / DublinBet ViG)
P131411123111
B1112213212112
B22421213
If stop win/loss rule used, left with score of -5
Lowest Score = -11
Highest Score = 0
Hands = 57
Bets = 55
Wins = 26
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Shoe #8:
Online Casino Platform: DublinBet (Fitz table)
B131211311132
B71314211
B51121
If stop win/loss rule used, left with score of -5
Lowest Score = -10
Highest Score = 0
Hands = 50
Bets = 48
Wins = 23
Black Orchid shut the table down
in BeatTheCasino.com Q and A Baccarat and Blackjack
Posted
BlackOrchid, DublinBet ("Baccarat (VIG)" table), and 5Dimes (first table) all offer the same VIG platform.
If you find that BlackOrchid itself has shutdown the table, you could check either 5Dimes first table or Dublinbet's VIG table to confirm. And if someone on camera has walked up and said they are shutting down the table, it would be the VIG platform doing it and it will affect all online casinos.