heike_l

Hey Keith, The % chances are for every 100 "rounds" To know the numbers for any other amount of rounds, you just use "the rule of 3" For example: 1 red's in a row ( the same goes for black ) --> 24.50 per 100 rounds FOR 75 ROUNDS if 100 rounds = 24.50 then 1 round = 24.50 / 100 = 0.245 and 75 rounds = 0.245 x 75 = 18.375 FOR 250 ROUNDS if 100 rounds = 24.50 then 1 round = 24.50 / 100 = 0.245 and 250 rounds = 0.245 x 250 = 61.25 In your case, with 75 rounds, it is exactly 75% of the normal chances for every 100 rounds... 1 red's in a row ( the same goes for black ) --> 24.50 x 75% = 18.375 2 red's in a row ( the same goes for black ) --> 10.50 x 75% = 7.875 3 red's in a row ( the same goes for black ) --> 4.50 x 75% = 3.375 1 white's in a row --> 12.25 x 75% = 9.1875 2 white's in a row --> 1.75 x 75% = 1.3125 3 white's in a row --> 0.25 x 75% = 0.1875 But... what exactly is it you are inventing? I mean, 24 red's and 24 black's and 8 white's... is it some kind of win every round casino buster system Bye, Heike

Hey Keith, I don't know of a game that offers 24 red's + 24 black's + 8 white's ( = 56 total ) But lets do it anyway big grin When calculating possibilities or "chances" you only need two words: AND...OR With "AND" you multiply chances ( x ) With "OR" you add up chances ( + ) red = 24/56 black = 24/56 white = 8/56 1 red's in a row ( the same goes for black ) ( 1st=red AND 2nd=white ) OR ( 1st=red AND 2nd=black ) <=> ( 24/56 x 8/56 ) + ( 24/56 x 24/56 ) <=> ( 192 / 3136 ) + ( 576 / 3136 ) <=> 768 / 3136 <=> 24.50% 2 red's in a row ( the same goes for black ) ( 1st=red AND 2nd=red AND 3rd=white ) OR ( 1st=red AND 2nd=red AND 3rd=black ) <=> ( 24/56 x 24/56 x 8/56 ) + ( 24/56 x 24/56 x 24/56 ) <=> ( 4608 / 175616 ) + ( 13824 / 175616 ) <=> 18432 / 175616 <=> 10.50% 3 red's in a row ( the same goes for black ) ( 1st=red AND 2nd=red AND 3rd=red AND 4th=white ) OR ( 1st=red AND 2nd=red AND 3rd=red AND 4th=black ) <=> ( 24/56 x 24/56 x 24/56 x 8/56 ) + ( 24/56 x 24/56 x 24/56 x 24/56 ) <=> ( 110592 / 9834496 ) + ( 331776 / 9834496 ) <=> 442368 / 9834496 <=> 4.50% And so on for 4, 5, 6, ... in a rows. Now for white: 1 white's in a row: ( 1st=white AND 2nd=red ) OR ( 1st=white AND 2nd=black ) <=> ( 8/56 x 24/56 ) + ( 8/56 x 24/56 ) <=> ( 192 / 3136 ) + ( 192 / 3136 ) <=> 384 / 3136 <=> 12.25% 2 white's in a row: ( 1st=white AND 2nd=white AND 3rd=red ) OR ( 1st=white AND 2nd=white AND 3rd=black ) <=> ( 8/56 x 8/56 x 24/56 ) + ( 8/56 x 8/56 x 24/56 ) <=> ( 1536 / 175616 ) + ( 1536 / 175616 ) <=> 3072 / 175616 <=> 1.75% 3 white's in a row: ( 1st=white AND 2nd=white AND 3rd=white AND 4th=red ) OR ( 1st=white AND 2nd=white AND 3rd=white AND 4th=black ) <=> ( 8/56 x 8/56 x 8/56 x 24/56 ) + ( 8/56 x 8/56 x 8/56 x 24/56 ) <=> ( 12288 / 9834496 ) + ( 12288 / 9834496 ) <=> 24576 / 9834496 <=> 0.25% That's that Have fun! Bye, Heike

Sunday 26 October 2008 - Casino Oostende - Belgium 8 decks - hand shuffled SHOE # 15 @ 20:15 P2323312211 P12112225121 B1112121641 B1112131 SHOE # 16 @ 21:50 B12212121111221 B311433113 P211112111211131 P1122 SHOE # 17 @ 23:10 P1321131224 P4381121 P1422121511 P1111111421121

In normal view (like when reading the forum) just go to posts that belong to you and click the "edit" button. Cheers, Heike

You will have noticed that I did a little editing to the layout of my posted shoes. All credits however go to Andrea (wolfat) because he made me realise that I forgot to mention important things like: how many decks, hand or machine shuffled, time of play etc. I would like to say "thank you" to everybody who already submitted their most recent shoes. But I would also like to ask you to edit your posts as well, to match the new layout and info as much as possible. Better now than to wait until we have thousands of shoes in our library Sorry for the inconvenience. And keep them shoes coming... Cheers, Heike

Saturday 11 October 2008 - Casino Oostende - Belgium 8 decks - hand shuffled SHOE # 2 @ 21:25 P3131332121 B15111211112111 B12231211322 P112221211 SHOE # 3 @ 22:40 P1316333 B1312211111231 P511113111113 P416

Friday 10 October 2008 - Casino Oostende - Belgium 8 decks - hand shuffled SHOE # 1 @ 19:30 P131431511 P21261233 P241122314 B1121

Hello everybody, I believe it would be a good idea if we could all post our real life shoes in here so we can use them to practise current and future systems as well as for testing purposes. Please follow my layout as much as possible. For "SHOE #" just add 1 to every next shoe in the library. Consecutive played shoes go in the same post - else use a new post. The short way (as used on this forum) to write down an entire shoe: P BBB P BBBB PPP B PPPPP B P This example sequence would translate into this: P131431511 (20 plays/circles on your scorecard, with P or B pointing to the column of the first circle for every 20 plays) Okay, I will go first, and I do hope many of you boys and girls will follow, so we can have a big shoe collection in a few days/weeks. Thanks for your time and effort, Best regards, Heike