Guest CarlosM Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 Also to evryone on this forum who wants to add to this discussion. The last few days I had a close freind ask me about casino shuffle machines, wether from Shuffle Master Corp or Vending Data Corp. He has been on their web site a number of times and says, "Yes but, those machines, according to the manufacturer, produce totally random, non-countable, non-trackable, no patternsn no trend cards". I went to these web sites again to read this. This is a quote from Shuffle Master Corp, regarding their batch shufflers, continuous shufflers, King, one-2-six, MD1 and MD2. "Double Randomization, means "RANDOM IN", "RANDOM OUT". They mean the cards in the discard tray at the end of every round is put back in the machine and that chunk can still remain intact or barely broken up, and can appear anytime, could appear the next very round or 10 rounds later. "Each card is randomly selected during the shuffle, so patterns or runs won't be consistent shoe to shoe or within a shoe" I think the manufacturers definition of random is different from ours! Random to us is even distribution of TENS or Highs to Lows. That in random a TEN should be 4 in 13 cards. That dealer breaks are30% or 28%. But these manufactures don't discuss this at all. Their definition of random is if you have a run like this, 10, 10, 10, 9, 8, 9, when that goes from the discard into the machine, it randomly selects different cards from each discard batch and randomly places it anywhere. So, that run above, the machine could take a 10 and a 9 out and put back in that run a 4 and a 6. I think they are trying to ensure whatever pattern or trend in a shoe, that it is not excactly repeated in the next shoe. If anyone has input on all this and also about how they say it is non-countable. Also, about non-trackable, no reliable patterns? If anyone has seen the inside of any of these machines and how it works inside, and outside buttons of functions, I would be very interested to hear about it. Ellis and I had a long talk on this topic and he told me some very interesting things in what they want the public to beleive and why. I mean these manufacturers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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