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Hi Master Ellis,

I'd a question, if the casino is using a continuously shuffling machine, meaning to say, cards are inserted back into the shuffler for 'recycling' after they are dealt, in this case, will your nor method still be able to be applied since the shoe will 'never end' at all....

Cheers~

I would think you are theoretically correct.... however in my observation players (serious ones at least) would not stand for it.

What would be the point of keeping a scorecard if they are going to shuffle up after every round?

- Boris

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I would think you are theoretically correct.... however in my observation players (serious ones at least) would not stand for it.

What would be the point of keeping a scorecard if they are going to shuffle up after every round?

- Boris

Well, as we learned in BJ, continuous shufflers still produce biased cards even though they eliminate card depletion. Think about it Ron. If they actually produced random cards, players would win on B.S. alone. The cards are still clumped.

In Bac, we are still going to see Streaky, Choppy and Neutral shoes.

Any heads up player could play NOR W/O a scorecard and just go by the tote board. NOR doesn't use card depletion at all - just Chop, Streak and Neutral biases. Our card gives us a certain vision of those biases and their strengths and tells us which of 3 systems to play and occassionally when to switch systems. It keeps track of our simple progs so we always know what bet we are at. Other than that we only use our card to keep an accurate score so we can apply our cash mgt. timely and correctly. But a skilled player could use his chip piles for that purpose. Beginners go through a mistake curve at first and score cards help to keep mistakes to a minimum.

We are in a shoe for an average of only about 36 plays. So shoe ends don't affect us much. If they were eliminated altogether, we really wouldn't care much.

But you are right. Bac players stand on tradition. They don't like casinos screwing around with THEIR game. For instance a few years back the casinos tried to introduce a must play every hand rule. The players simply boycotted those casinos and they had to go right back to established traditional rules. On the other hand, players seem to favor the no commission rule casinos are slowly adapting.

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