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I saw a video of the seminar on you tube and thre Ellis told that the system 40 is a powerfull tool that it has a highh hit rate...So if the hit rate is high why can't you just ue the system40 to play baccarat?

patisake, once you receive and study your NOR manual, you will know why.

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Hello,

I saw a video of the seminar on you tube and thre Ellis told that the system 40 is a powerfull tool that it has a highh hit rate...So if the hit rate is high why can't you just ue the system40 to play baccarat?

NOR is an evolution of system 40 (S40). NOR simply gives you more tools in your toolbox to do battle with in the casinos.

S40 was worth its introduction as a single system because it is that powerful. Remember it was the system that Ellis used to win 40 shoes straight. NOR expands on what S40 offers in regards to approachs to use in a casino. NOR does not dismiss S40 but rather expands upon it by making it one of the tools you can use.

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NOR is an evolution of system 40 (S40). NOR simply gives you more tools in your toolbox to do battle with in the casinos.

S40 was worth its introduction as a single system because it is that powerful. Remember it was the system that Ellis used to win 40 shoes straight. NOR expands on what S40 offers in regards to approachs to use in a casino. NOR does not dismiss S40 but rather expands upon it by making it one of the tools you can use.

WOW! Excellent reply PurpleInk! I don't think I can add to that. How come this is the first I've heard of you? You are certainly well informed if you are a new guy.

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WOW! Excellent reply PurpleInk! I don't think I can add to that. How come this is the first I've heard of you? You are certainly well informed if you are a new guy.

Master Ellis, I had the oppurtunity to speak with you on the phone about 6 weeks ago. I was very impressed with how you were more concerned about teaching serious players your approach rather than selling a system. You are a patient teacher. NOR does require commitment and discipline from students, but thankfully it's not rocket science - just a comprehensive approach.

As my tenure on BTC has been only a few weeks I've been reluctant to jump in on post. But then I realized that some of the basic questions that people like WitchyGal and others asked were instrumental for me to not just know NOR but to understand it. Essentially, this forum is only as good as the members make it.

I've found a lot of insight and valueable information just from perusing the NOR forum. While NOR is stable and mature it is still IMHO still evolving slightly, ie in the business world its stated that if you are not getting better you are getting behind because your competition (casinos in our case) are always trying to improve.

My last three trips to the casino have been without a loss. But I still realize that I'm still trying to get my arms around NOR. I do respect that you have to use it a while to not just know it but understand it. As one of my favorite Star Wars quotes goes "That is the difference between knowledge and wisdom"

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Master Ellis, I had the oppurtunity to speak with you on the phone about 6 weeks ago. I was very impressed with how you were more concerned about teaching serious players your approach rather than selling a system. You are a patient teacher. NOR does require commitment and discipline from students, but thankfully it's not rocket science - just a comprehensive approach.

As my tenure on BTC has been only a few weeks I've been reluctant to jump in on post. But then I realized that some of the basic questions that people like WitchyGal and others asked were instrumental for me to not just know NOR but to understand it. Essentially, this forum is only as good as the members make it.

I've found a lot of insight and valueable information just from perusing the NOR forum. While NOR is stable and mature it is still IMHO still evolving slightly, ie in the business world its stated that if you are not getting better you are getting behind because your competition (casinos in our case) are always trying to improve.

My last three trips to the casino have been without a loss. But I still realize that I'm still trying to get my arms around NOR. I do respect that you have to use it a while to not just know it but understand it. As one of my favorite Star Wars quotes goes "That is the difference between knowledge and wisdom"

Aha! So that's who you are!

Right, some hi IQ guys get run over by trucks. You have to have a little street savvy with it.

No, it's not Rocket Science. My last rocket attempt failed miserably.

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It is difficult to explain Baccarat purely from a mathematical basis. Statistical Analysis is a better basis.

OK the casinos got rid of the 20 in a rows we used to see on a daily basis. Today we never see them.

Why? Because casinos lose their shirts on 20+ in a rows.

How? Through casino shuffle technology they actually learned in BJ. In any mature BJ game it is easy to see that the cards are not random. Highs consistently follow highs far more often than lows follow highs. The opposite with lows is also true. IF the cards were random it would be 50/50 but it isn't. Not even close. The cards are not random no matter how they were shuffled. If they were Basic Strategy alone would beat every BJ game on the planet. The casinos fully know this. They know they can't allow random cards or they would soon be out of business. So they don't. The result is that BS players lose and everybody plays BS. The 15% casino returns in BJ ALONE PROVES beyond all doubt that the cards are not random. Case closed!

How do they do this? That is completely beside the point.

When it is raining out, you don't ask WHY. All you need to know is freaking water is falling out of the sky. THAT is the important thing.

So Baccarat comes along. And casinos already know shuffle control. And they use it. How do we know this for an absolute fact?

Look, in purely random cards (forget commission for a second) the odds of losing a hand are EXACTLY the same as the odds of winning a hand. You could flip a coin. Yet players overall find a way to lose FAR more hands than they win. How could they possibly do this with random cards??? Answer. They CAN'T. Therefore the cards CANNOT be random. You can't guess wrong at 50/50 odds to the tune of 26% of the drop. Again the cards are NOT random. So what is the exact opposite of random? If the cards are not random, exactly what ARE they??? Think about it.

Give up? The precise opposite of random is PREDICTABLE. Get it? THAT is how we get our foot in the door. We use their own cheating (or ORCHESTRATION to put it politely). Whatever, THAT is what we use to beat them. And that is pretty darn neat when you think about it.

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So, you might ask: "Well still, how do people consistently lose more than 50% of the hands?" Another opposite of random is biased. Biased and predictable are the same thing. Physics: Things equal to the same thing are equal to themselves. They lose because they bet AGAINST biases. WE do the exact opposite.

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I wrote the first Baccarat book ever written but not the first Chapter. The first Chapter was written by Frank Barstow and published by Lyle Stuart, an old friend of mine. We played the million dollar World Championship of Baccarat together. I was high money winner BTW. Anyway Barstow wrote. "Suppose you note that there is a shortage of two in a rows. OK bet on twos because they are due."

It sounds reasonable but it is dead WRONG! But that is the way people still think. Just ask them.

If there is a shortage of 2s, for God's sake don't bet on them. Bet on 1s and 3s. That is what is happening and it is very likely to keep happening for the rest of the shoe. THAT is what comes of shuffle orchestration. Use it to your advantage. Bet ON biases, never against them. That is how you beat the bastards. THAT is what NOR is all about! And that is pretty neat too, isn't it.

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You know, I've written a lot of Baccarat books. Manuals, if you will. So many, I've lost count. 13, 14 whatever, plus 4 BJ books. A surprising number of people bought every book I ever wrote. Why is this surprising? Because I was selling them at 2 and $3000 a copy.

So I asked one of them: "What do you do with all these books?" "I've got them stored in a locked metal cabinet in my home". "WHY?" "Because I'm a lot younger than you are. One day your books will be worth a lot of money. When you are dead I'll be rich!"

Hmmm, I didn't know whether to shake his hand or smack him one in the mouth.

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You know, I still sell all 4 BJ books. Well we dropped the First Base Manual because that system is well covered in the other three. But I still sell all of them because they are all the same approach explained from 3 different perspectives.

But I do NOT do that in Baccarat. I only sell the latest approach. I do this because each approach is better than the last. It would not be fair to sell outdated and superseded approaches. But I think some of those books are still on Ebay.

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