NOR --additional betting Strategy

[Grat]

Started recently, but still appearing quite often is a long straight run or several straight runs at the beginning of a Baccarat shoe (presuffled 8 decks consisting of 416 cards that came in a sealed box).

This straight runs make the SAP Event averages of 4's, becoming most common --MC. Also 2's and 3's becoming Lease Common=LC.

Now please open and look at the attached score card.

From play # 18, the 1's and 2's came in consecutively, making losses for the F3 system bets. Also the 2's event averages are increasing.

I was thinking why not place the next bet only if both OTB4L and F3 confluent on the same side as at play # 23.

I named this the "Eclipse" bet.

In NOR, we have 3 systems, OTB4L, S40, and F2 or F3.

Thinking in simple Maths, each system has a 33% chance of winning.

So this coming together of OTB4L and F3 can have a better chance of winning, up to a maximum of 66.6%.

Hope Prof. Ellis can clarify this phenomenon mathematically.

On the score card "Eclipse bet" won 9 times and lost only 4 times.

Looking at it more closely, we lost the "Eclipse bets" when the sporadic 1's start increasing on the stronger side.

At play #42, the 2's became MC and we may just play OTB4L, to win the next 5 bets continously.

And Prof. Ellis, may I quote what you said recently "See, OTB4L has math on its side".

Also a Big THANK YOU to all members in this "Family" especially Prof Ellis, Keith Smith, and the Administrator, MV Seahog.

Singaporeans are very happy because we just won our 2nd Olympic medals after 52 years.

Grat

Attachment: Actual Casino Shoe (SIN 15Jul 2012).pdf

[Guest]

Started recently, but still appearing quite often is a long straight run or several straight runs at the beginning of a Baccarat shoe (presuffled 8 decks consisting of 416 cards that came in a sealed box).

This straight runs make the SAP Event averages of 4's, becoming most common --MC. Also 2's and 3's becoming Lease Common=LC.

Now please open and look at the attached score card.

From play # 18, the 1's and 2's came in consecutively, making losses for the F3 system bets. Also the 2's event averages are increasing.

I was thinking why not place the next bet only if both OTB4L and F3 confluent on the same side as at play # 23.

I named this the "Eclipse" bet.

In NOR, we have 3 systems, OTB4L, S40, and F2 or F3.

Thinking in simple Maths, each system has a 33% chance of winning.

So this coming together of OTB4L and F3 can have a better chance of winning, up to a maximum of 66.6%.

Hope Prof. Ellis can clarify this phenomenon mathematically.

On the score card "Eclipse bet" won 9 times and lost only 4 times.

Looking at it more closely, we lost the "Eclipse bets" when the sporadic 1's start increasing on the stronger side.

At play #42, the 2's became MC and we may just play OTB4L, to win the next 5 bets continously.

And Prof. Ellis, may I quote what you said recently "See, OTB4L has math on its side".

Also a Big THANK YOU to all members in this "Family" especially Prof Ellis, Keith Smith, and the Administrator, MV Seahog.

Singaporeans are very happy because we just won our 2nd Olympic medals after 52 years.

Grat

Attachment: Actual Casino Shoe (SIN 15Jul 2012).pdf

Grat, yours is an extremely interesting and well written post and your thoughts are right on.

So is your shoe extremely interesting. Anyone who thinks this shoe is the result of randomly shuffled cards, well, I've got a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you.

Grat, one question: Were the cards offered to a player to cut before they went into the shoe???

Guys, I warned you before: Preshuffled cards should definitely be illegal. Such casinos should be told so and then boycotted by players en masse. First there is the minor problem: How do you know all the cards are there?????

But then there is a major problem: it offers the casinos the golden opportunity to insert "designer" shoes.

What is a designer shoe? It is a shoe designed by a casino expert to be unbeatable. Then they arrange the cards accordingly.

Look, the shoe came to the table sealed. You have NO IDEA of what happened to those cards before they got to the table SEALED. How were they prepped? How were they shuffled? OR were they arranged by a highly paid casino professional. You have no idea.

But, from experience, I can tell you this much: You give a casino this much opportunity to cheat, there is simply too much money at stake. Sooner or later they are going to cheat. It's TOO big a temptation to offer to a casino on a gold platter.

Even if the cards are offered to a player to cut: There is a very simple slight of hand maneuver a trained dealer can use to put the cards right back in their original order completely cancelling your cut. I've had this shown to me by player friendly dealers. Believe me, you'll never catch it even if you are looking for it.

Casinos do not call this cheating! They have a way of justifying it to their own satisfaction - sort of a mental masturbation.

But try it in a Saturday night poker game! You're likely to get shot!

Look, That is a designer shoe! Plain and simple! You can't shuffle the cards legally and have them happen to fall in the exact order to produce a 556 and then all 1s and 2s. Come on! Get real! Or maybe you'll like this bridge I've got?

So, do we complain? NO! Look, casino control commissions are paid by the casino. Everybody you could complain to is paid by the casino. It's like a bad dream and you'll likely get yourself barred to boot.

But there is a better reason not to complain!

Grat is right! Designer shoes are easy to beat especially if you are expecting them.

Look at the shoe again. If you knew some pro designed it, you could beat it couldn't you. You would be alert for the worm to turn wouldn't you.

Yep, they are smart bastards. But we are smarter.

Edited August 3, 2012 by Guest

[Guest]

BTW, this shoe reminds me of a shoe I played at a 14 player table in Tunica back when they were famous for cheating. Several casinos were closed by the casino commission on suspension for several days. Some more than once. One was closed down permanently. They all got the message and I've seen no cheating in Tunica since. This game happened before they were put straight.

Anyway, it was a 6 deck game (I'm suspicious already) that came out of an unknown, unmarked pure black shuffle machine almost the size of a Voltswagon. The first column starts with 20 Banks in a row. The 2nd column was a 20 in a row ZZ run. Somewhere in this process the pit boss ran for cover and was nowhere to be found. The dealer got so nervous and his hands got so shakey I thought for sure he was having a heart attack.

I made my 20 units easy, cashed in my chips and never went back to that casino even to this day.

I've caught casinos cheating red handed hundreds of times. Anybody who tells me casinos would never cheat (a very popular misconception) I just smile and walk away and look for somebody to talk to who isn't a complete idiot.

Edited August 3, 2012 by Guest

[bo_da]

Grat how did you came up with this Eclipse bet? very interesting, but y did you not go for F2 since the first 3 4+s appear? what made you go for F3 in a shoe?

[Grat]

Grat how did you came up with this Eclipse bet? very interesting, but y did you not go for F2 since the first 3 4+s appear? what made you go for F3 in a shoe?

Yes bo_da, please look at the attached graphic " Actual casino shoe -------" ,

At Play #19 -- The SAP Events count for 3's remains at 0. Therefore 3's is "least common" So F3 is the choice. Also the 3's remains LC for the whole shoe.

Also remember to follow up with how Prof. Ellis evaluate this Eclipse strategy in this forum.

Thanks for your interest.

Best of Luck to you,

Grat.

[Grat]

Grat, yours is an extremely interesting and well written post and your thoughts are right on.

So is your shoe extremely interesting. Anyone who thinks this shoe is the result of randomly shuffled cards, well, I've got a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you.

Grat, one question: Were the cards offered to a player to cut before they went into the shoe???

Guys, I warned you before: Preshuffled cards should definitely be illegal. Such casinos should be told so and then boycotted by players en masse. First there is the minor problem: How do you know all the cards are there?????

But then there is a major problem: it offers the casinos the golden opportunity to insert "designer" shoes.

What is a designer shoe? It is a shoe designed by a casino expert to be unbeatable. Then they arrange the cards accordingly.

Look, the shoe came to the table sealed. You have NO IDEA of what happened to those cards before they got to the table SEALED. How were they prepped? How were they shuffled? OR were they arranged by a highly paid casino professional. You have no idea.

But, from experience, I can tell you this much: You give a casino this much opportunity to cheat, there is simply too much money at stake. Sooner or later they are going to cheat. It's TOO big a temptation to offer to a casino on a gold platter.

Even if the cards are offered to a player to cut: There is a very simple slight of hand maneuver a trained dealer can use to put the cards right back in their original order completely cancelling your cut. I've had this shown to me by player friendly dealers. Believe me, you'll never catch it even if you are looking for it.

Casinos do not call this cheating! They have a way of justifying it to their own satisfaction - sort of a mental masturbation.

But try it in a Saturday night poker game! You're likely to get shot!

Look, That is a designer shoe! Plain and simple! You can't shuffle the cards legally and have them happen to fall in the exact order to produce a 556 and then all 1s and 2s. Come on! Get real! Or maybe you'll like this bridge I've got?

So, do we complain? NO! Look, casino control commissions are paid by the casino. Everybody you could complain to is paid by the casino. It's like a bad dream and you'll likely get yourself barred to boot.

But there is a better reason not to complain!

Grat is right! Designer shoes are easy to beat especially if you are expecting them.

Look at the shoe again. If you knew some pro designed it, you could beat it couldn't you. You would be alert for the worm to turn wouldn't you.

Yep, they are smart bastards. But we are smarter.

Hi Prof. Ellis,

I must thank you, first as a wonderful teacher and the encouraging and kind comments that you gave me. The lessons that you taught us (as members of your family) inspired us to go forth and do likewise (to Beat the casino).

I would like to elaborate on the “Presuffled card†in the Singapore contex.

The Casino Regulatory Authority is a Govt. Department under the Ministry of Home Affairs.

Quote from the CRA website under “Electronic Shufflersâ€

“Enforcers is on Security, Reliable, Auditable.

In this technical standards, a shuffle is defined as an electronic utility product that has the capability to rearrange the playing cards to completely eradicate any prior pattern(s) introduced to the playing cards.â€

Now lets go back to the Bac tables.

There is an Eletronic shuffler standing next to every table. This shuffler has two compartments, so two stacks of cards, one blue and one red can be shuffled individually.

Before starting a new game, the dealer unpacked a sealed stack of cards (presumed to be preshuffled) and put it into the shuffler vacant compartment.

The stack of cards that was in the shuffler is taken out now and put on the table for a player to cut (not less than the width of a single pack of 52cards –house rule).

So the present stack of cards is the one which had been put through the same motiom in the previous game.

Now the Pit Boss or the Supervisor presses a green button (green light on) to shuffle the stack of cards inside for about 12 minutes. Also a small electronic display appears (Shuffling 416 cards –10% complete) When the display reached 100% the green light switchs off. This is to show the players that whatever preshuffled cards pack will have to be reshuffled by the shuffler next to the table to eradicate any prior pattern(s) introduced to the playing cards.

So I do believed that the CRA did their job very well.

Random cards are not prevalent.

For BTC players the only drawback at present is that paterns become less consistant and for a shorter time. Now most of the shoes can change from F2,3 to OTB4L with S40 in between.

Be wise and collect your winnings like “Mannas “ take only enough for your daily needs.

May I quote Prof. Ellis “It is not about how much you bet. It is not about how often you bet. It is about how often you bet on the right sideâ€

Regards and best of luck to all,

Grat

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Hi Prof. Ellis,

I must thank you, first as a wonderful teacher and the encouraging and kind comments that you gave me. The lessons that you taught us (as members of your family) inspired us to go forth and do likewise (to Beat the casino).

I would like to elaborate on the “Presuffled card†in the Singapore contex.

The Casino Regulatory Authority is a Govt. Department under the Ministry of Home Affairs.

Quote from the CRA website under “Electronic Shufflersâ€

“Enforcers is on Security, Reliable, Auditable.

In this technical standards, a shuffle is defined as an electronic utility product that has the capability to rearrange the playing cards to completely eradicate any prior pattern(s) introduced to the playing cards.â€

Now lets go back to the Bac tables.

There is an Eletronic shuffler standing next to every table. This shuffler has two compartments, so two stacks of cards, one blue and one red can be shuffled individually.

Before starting a new game, the dealer unpacked a sealed stack of cards (presumed to be preshuffled) and put it into the shuffler vacant compartment.

The stack of cards that was in the shuffler is taken out now and put on the table for a player to cut (not less than the width of a single pack of 52cards –house rule).

So the present stack of cards is the one which had been put through the same motiom in the previous game.

Now the Pit Boss or the Supervisor presses a green button (green light on) to shuffle the stack of cards inside for about 12 minutes. Also a small electronic display appears (Shuffling 416 cards –10% complete) When the display reached 100% the green light switchs off. This is to show the players that whatever preshuffled cards pack will have to be reshuffled by the shuffler next to the table to eradicate any prior pattern(s) introduced to the playing cards.

So I do believed that the CRA did their job very well.

Random cards are not prevalent.

For BTC players the only drawback at present is that paterns become less consistant and for a shorter time. Now most of the shoes can change from F2,3 to OTB4L with S40 in between.

Be wise and collect your winnings like “Mannas “ take only enough for your daily needs.

May I quote Prof. Ellis “It is not about how much you bet. It is not about how often you bet. It is about how often you bet on the right sideâ€

Regards and best of luck to all,

Grat

Grat, thankyou sincerely for the best rendition of the Singapore Sling thus far. Now I have a much clearer picture of the Singapore Casino operation and I totally agree that the outcome will be just as you say: Biased but of shorter length. This puts more emphasis on hit and run. Get in and out quickly.

I'm not concerned when the casinos follow standard procedure. But I've been around casinos more than most casino employees and I know casinos have a talent for subverting standard procedure to their supposed benefit. Ha, I also know that their subversions are often, in turn, subvertable. It's just the way casinos are. That is the real world we live in.

Yours is a ringer shoe. I know cheating when I see it. How it got through standard procedure is beside the point. That part is easy. Maybe somebody "forgot" to hit a shuffle button.

We've had two recent cases here in A.C. where the dealer "forgot" to hit the shuffle button. A player had recorded the order of the discards and therefore knew the exact order of the cards when that shoe came up. Of course the dealer was in on the scam, and perhaps several others. The player was stupid enough to win every hand. So they were caught. In both cases the casino fired everybody in a 20' radious and I'm sure a lot of completely loyal innocent employees got fired.

It just goes to show you what a devious mind can accomplish on the players side. But the casinos are a whole lot more devious than we ever thought of. We pale in comparison.

It's like I always say from experience: When there is money on the table you can't trust anybody.

Always play what you see. That's your defense. It's fun to beat cheaters at their own game. Your shoe is a good case in point!

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Some of you might be thinking: If the casinos are going to cheat why do we bother. Well I'll tell you why: To beat the bastards anyway.

Look, The game of BJ has been completely rigged for 25 years by every casino on this planet. But that is exactly how I beat the bastards.

Fortunately, in Baccarat, most casinos eventually learn to deal a straight up game. We've got THAT going for us.

[Guest]

Then there is the Baccarat gurus side of the equasion. I was, at first, a little despondent over a PM I received from Witchygal about that crooked scamming Baccarat teaching organization that was caught by the Singapore authorities.

But then I got to thinking about that: You know, I don't know of a single Baccarat site on the internet that isn't either purely an out and out scammer or only incompetent - which is just as bad. I have no legitimate competition. Unfortunately, most Baccarat players won't figure that out until long after I'm dead.