how can you tell a cheating dealer

[Sport]

ellis,could you please explain how a dealer gets the same cards when she perfectly cuts and shuffles the cards twice and then deals.also,do the casinos have clinics for their dealers to learn how to cheat the players.thanks ruebel

[Guest]

ellis,could you please explain how a dealer gets the same cards when she perfectly cuts

and shuffles the cards twice and then deals.also,do the casinos have clinics for their dealers to learn how to cheat

the players.thanks ruebel

Sounds like you had a bad experience???

Dealer/Casino cheating in Bj is such a vast subject I could write a whole book about it.

I think you meant to say the dealer shuffles twice and then YOU cut. And instead of the "same cards"

I think you meant to say she gets way too many first card tens making you have to hit more.

But you are excused because you sound pretty pissed off.

In both Vegas and AC I had 50 players go out and count dealer first card tens on Saturday night.

Recognize that the cards don't know what day of the week it is and random odds dictate that the

dealer SHOULD get 4 first card tens every 13 hands.

That is NOT what our survey showed in either city - not even close! At least not on Saturday night!

In both cities the dealer was ACTUALLY getting 6 in 6 deck and 8 in 8 deck.

Furthermore I think I've found myself saying at least a million times to the table:

THERE IS ONLY ONE TEN ON THE TABLE AND THE DEALER'S GOT IT!

HOW could this possibly be???

BTW, no BJ instructors argue with our results.

Some explain it as a cycle bias: They say all the players playing Basic Strategy while the Dealer

is playing Dealer Strategy sets up a "cycle bias" in the game.

Sounds pretty far fetched BUT:

In such a game if you change the player number by spreading to two hands for 2 or 3 rounds

it seems to take the advantage away from the dealer and give it to the first base player which,

of course, helps everybody. I've seen this and done this trick too many times for it to be pure BS.

You might try this yourself.

Then there is the Bahama Hole Card Trick!

I've not only caught individual dealers pulling this stunt, but even entire pits (in Vegas no less) and even

entire casinos in the Bahamas and other Islands and on cruise ships and river boats.

You won't see this in Atlantic City because there they automatically deal the first card up which is the only

logical way to deal, but AC is the ONLY place this is required.

Everyone else deals both dealer cards down and then turns one up.

When you think about it, this only serves to delay the game. The first base

player must wait for the entire deal and then for the dealer to turn over his up card

before he can begin assessing his play. This delay happens every round.

So these constant delays effect rounds per hour and casino profits negatively. So,

why in God's name do casinos do this? Why don't all casinos use the faster A.C. deal?

Why do casinos actually spend profits to slow the game down? It MUST be something important!

Well, there is only ONE reason I can see.....

To set the stage for the Bahama hole card trick!

This is when the dealer, instead of always turning his second card up,

per the rules of Blackjack, he sneaks a peek and turns his HIGHEST card up.

I've already told you the dealer gets too many first card tens - making you hit and break more.

With the Bahama hole card trick the dealer gets TWICE as many first card tens.

You have no chance in such a game whatsoever. This rigs the game an additional 14% house odds.

You can't possibly win. And the average BJ player, even highly experienced players, never catch this.

They just lose every single shoe W/O knowing why.

How prevalent is this? Well how many casinos delay turning over the dealer's second card?

Why else would they do this? There simply is no other reason.

Sorry to ruin your day! BUT the FIRST key to winning is to know exactly what you are up against.

It is relatively easy to catch IF you are looking for it. You MUST call the deaer on it.

The dealer will call the pit boss over and the pit boss will always back up his dealer and say it is legal.

At that point you MUST call in the casino mgr, and demand your money back. The casino mgr must oblige

because he knows your next step is the casino control commission. THAT could get him fired

from a multi million dollar job! Just recognize that after that stunt, every camera in the casino will be on you.

Get out of there.

Dealers are taught MANY ways to cheat you by other dealers, by pit bosses, by casinos, and by dealer schools.

There is one way to stop any dealer from cheating you. Let him know right off the bat that you KNOW what

you are doing and you KNOW what HE is doing. Play and act professionally. Arrange you chips in piles of ten

with black chips and piles of 12 with green. Continuously count your chips the professional way I teach

in my training films. PLAY FAST! Make your hand signals forcefully and plainly. Ignore the other players, if any.

Color up your chips in even hundreds only. Don't Let the dealer do it. Let him know what HE is up against. Build

a reputation. Word spreads among dealers and pit bosses. YOU are a PLAYER.

[Guest]

Another factor concerning dealer first card tens is clumping. I have noted for years that the more the cards are clumped

the more first card tens the dealer gets. Recognize that 2 shuffles doesn't even begin to randomize the cards. It takes at least

7 shuffles to randomize a single deck of cards. No, 6 decks is not 7 X 6. It is 7 X 7 X 7 X 7 X 7 X 7. Get the picture?

Unless you are playing new cards, you are likely NOT playing random cards. Basic Strategy was designed assuming random cards.

Clumping destroys the hit rate of Basic Strategy. Instead of a 53% mathematical BS hit rate, you actually get 43% on average with

perfect BS. And on Saturday nights, you wish you could get 43%. A crowded casino can drive your Basic Strategy hit rate down to 20%

or even lower.

What do you do about this? You avoid crowded casinos.

Always note how crowded the high stakes parlors are. Sometimes there is virtually no one playing them - even on Sat nights.

That often makes them your best bet. BUT, test the water. Nothing is guaranteed.

[Sport]

hey ellis,thanks for everything and i am sure i'm speaking for all the members this answer was great!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[DarkValefor]

Another factor concerning dealer first card tens is clumping. I have noted for years that the more the cards are clumped

the more first card tens the dealer gets. Recognize that 2 shuffles doesn't even begin to randomize the cards. It takes at least

7 shuffles to randomize a single deck of cards. No, 6 decks is not 7 X 6. It is 7 X 7 X 7 X 7 X 7 X 7. Get the picture?

Unless you are playing new cards, you are likely NOT playing random cards. Basic Strategy was designed assuming random cards.

Clumping destroys the hit rate of Basic Strategy. Instead of a 53% mathematical BS hit rate, you actually get 43% on average with

perfect BS. And on Saturday nights, you wish you could get 43%. A crowded casino can drive your Basic Strategy hit rate down to 20%

or even lower.

What do you do about this? You avoid crowded casinos.

Always note how crowded the high stakes parlors are. Sometimes there is virtually no one playing them - even on Sat nights.

That often makes them your best bet. BUT, test the water. Nothing is guaranteed.

how ever in ac way in rws there is still dealer getting 21 almost every hand no matter what card is deal to the dealer what trick is use?

[Guest]

how ever in ac way in rws there is still dealer getting 21 almost every hand no matter what card is deal to the dealer what trick is use?

Right! This is because the cards are clumped. Basic Strategy saves the low card runs for the dealer. She CAN't break

in a low card run and will get a lot of 21's.

But, you can't break in a low card run either so hit to a good hand. The cards don't know who is dealing.

[Guest]

BTW guys, all of this is fully explained in NBJ - the Blackjack bible. If you don't know NBJ, this is going to cost

you more in your next outing than the manual costs. It pays for itself.

[DarkValefor]

Right! This is because the cards are clumped. Basic Strategy saves the low card runs for the dealer. She CAN't break

in a low card run and will get a lot of 21's.

But, you can't break in a low card run either so hit to a good hand. The cards don't know who is dealing.

so according to nbj the bs cause the clumped dose that means we play last hand with mimic dealer with U1D2 or U1D1

at least 3 to 5 other player in the table would yield great PA as we are stealing dealer card from him or her

and as U1D2 safety net or U1D1 locker

[Guest]

so according to nbj the bs cause the clumped dose that means we play last hand with mimic dealer with U1D2 or U1D1

at least 3 to 5 other player in the table would yield great PA as we are stealing dealer card from him or her

and as U1D2 safety net or U1D1 locker

Well no. Don't confuse BJ with Bac. In BJ, the fewer players in the game the better because

the fewer players the less the cards will clump. Head to head is best.

U1D2 or U1D1 are not recommended for BJ. You want to start with a 123 prog. This is your test the water prog.

If this doesn't work, quit that table.

But when it does, quickly advance to a 134 and then a 146 but never more.

Your objective is to win every other hand or close to it.

This is not difficult with random cards played from 3rd base.