S40 Clarification - Page 12 and 13 of the Manual

[Ice Cool Sam]

I Hope this can clear things about s40.

Page 12 - one line before last

S40 always bets opposite except when it goes OTR:

1. is this correct? we go OTR if we have lost 2 or 3 bets in a row. If there are many 2's and 4+'s we go OTR after two losses and if there are lots of 3's we go OTR after 3 losses.

2. how many playes before we actually start betting s40. (Other than Ellis who can tell after two plays) shouldn't we have at least 20 plays to be able to determine to go to Mode 2 or Mode 3?

Page 13 - Line 7 says: In Mode 2, when we go OTR we stay OTR for 2 bets IF our first OTR bet won.

3. two questions:

3A: what about when it losses?

3B: what is the betting progression (since we have already lost two bets and now we are on the third and fourth bet)

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in Mode 2 you will lose your 1,2 bets against a 3 in a row. Now you go OTR and if you win, you bet ORT once more.

4. OK. What if you lose?

(I have noticed in the manual usually a wrong impression of Always WINNING is being given to the reader. It's like it usually talks about what to do next when you WIN but rarely says what to do when you lose. I thinks this is giving false hope.)

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Also see S40 shoe samples.

5. can someone be kind enough and put the link here to the sample shoes for s40.

Thank you

Sambo

[Ice Cool Sam]

WHERE ARE ALL THE HELPFUL MEMBERS YOU GUYS TALKED ABOUT when I initially wanted to join?

Are the above dumb questions I have asked or is it that no one knows the answers?

[Guest]

WHERE ARE ALL THE HELPFUL MEMBERS YOU GUYS TALKED ABOUT when I initially wanted to join?

Are the above dumb questions I have asked or is it that no one knows the answers?

Perhaps because you asked them 24 hours ago on a Sunday. And perhaps because each of your questions has been answered on the forum in detail time and time again. Or perhaps your attitude in not conducive to eliciting responses from busy people.

Everyone knows the answers because everyone has read the NOR and NOR+ forums, except...

[Guest]

I Hope this can clear things about s40.

Page 12 - one line before last

S40 always bets opposite except when it goes OTR:

1. is this correct? we go OTR if we have lost 2 or 3 bets in a row. If there are many 2's and 4+'s we go OTR after two losses and if there are lots of 3's we go OTR after 3 losses.

What the manual said is correct. What you deducted from that is not. 2s have nothing to do with Mode. S40 always beats 2s regardless of Mode. The contest is between 3s and 4+s. M2 is your streak mode. M3 is your chop mode. Until you know the difference, use the 3rd bet rule. Later in advanced classes, you'll learn how to use the OR count to select mode a little more accurately.

2. how many playes before we actually start betting s40. (Other than Ellis who can tell after two plays) shouldn't we have at least 20 plays to be able to determine to go to Mode 2 or Mode 3?

20 plays is far too long to wait. We often have made our goal of +10 and are out of the shoe by play 20 or close to it.

You have, of course, studied what each system likes and dislikes as well as your normal frequencies of occurrence. By play 7 or even earlier

something is ALWAYS happening more than normal and something is happening less than normal. Since you have studied the forum before you ask questions as instructed you already know that:

High 1s and 2s = S40

High 2s and 3s = OTB4L

High 4+s = F

Strong Side = F

All shoes meet one of those 4 conditions. For instance a shoe starting with 1,1 is already extremely high in 1's which normally occur once every 4 plays so the shoe is screaming S40 at you. Sure it might change at play 4 but that is no more likely than at play 21.

Page 13 - Line 7 says: In Mode 2, when we go OTR we stay OTR for 2 bets IF our first OTR bet won.

3. two questions:

3A: what about when it losses?

When any OTR bet loses you go right back to opposites since with S40, opposites is your basic bet - per the NOR manual.

3B: what is the betting progression (since we have already lost two bets and now we are on the third and fourth bet)

Especially starting out, make your first OTR a 1 bet or even a 0 bet and then go by what happened that first time.

But once you have won an OTR you are back to the NOR progression of 123 4.

Once you have won or lost your second OTR bet iar the first time you try it, go by history as to whether or not to attempt it next time.

(this is not in your manual but IS in the forum.)

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in Mode 2 you will lose your 1,2 bets against a 3 in a row. Now you go OTR and if you win, you bet ORT once more. (the first time)

4. OK. What if you lose?

Same question as before - same answer - go back to opposites. Opposites is your S40 default bet.

(I have noticed in the manual usually a wrong impression of Always WINNING is being given to the reader. It's like it usually talks about what to do next when you WIN but rarely says what to do when you lose. I thinks this is giving false hope.)

It is a freaking instruction manual in plain English and covers every bet win or lose. Don't try to psychoanalyze it.

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Also see S40 shoe samples.

5. can someone be kind enough and put the link here to the sample shoes for s40.

Thank you

It will be interesting to see. You don't exactly spark any enthusiasm to help you.

You might try a change of attitude and restart on the right foot. This is, after all, the best Baccarat forum in the world.

That link has been posted at least ten times. In your case it might be a good idea to save it somewhere next time you see it again.

[Sport]

hey sambo,you are wasting more time complaining and pointing your finger at all of us.Take some advice,you have said from an earlier post that you have a very low somewhat IQ.Take the manual and read it at least 10 times,read all the posts and maybe in a month come back and ask better questions.You are filling up every post with your cry baby complaints and they don't belong here.we have a spot for those on another thread.Give us your background and maybe this will help us figure out your nor problems.examples your age,country you live,education and the casinos you play.answer this question:do you really think that investing in a $600 manual that you are going to make millions a day?How much a day are you looking for?Try to act ice cool,if not change!

[Guest]

Envision the overall NOR picture. S40 is not a stand alone winning system. It only becomes a winner when teamed with the other two NOR systems. S40 always beats S40 shoes. It's not so hot on OTB4L or F shoes. It beats the chopiest third of all shoes.

Actually it is better than that. S40 got its name by beating 40 shoes iar at 5 different casinos in 3 different casino cities. But all NOR is asking it to do is beat the chopiest third of all shoes. It handles that chore with ease. If S40 is losing, you are decidedly playing the wrong system. Do your overlay to determine which system you should be playing.

Don't play casinos until you know the ins and outs of all 3 NOR systems and how to choose between them. Even then, first find the most biased table in the casino regardless of which system it is biased toward.

I have 20 years in Vegas W/O a losing day at any of the 40 Rewards casinos. How? By following the above instruction. There is nothing I know that is not thoroughly discussed in this forum.

Anyone who wants to win bad enough can learn exactly how to do it right here on this forum but nowhere else. You guys know that. Between all of you, you've tried every other Bac site on the internet - to no avail. That is why you are here.

Many here have earned back their tuition their first outing, some their first day, and a few their first shoe. Those were the students smart enough to stay away from casinos until they knew what they were doing. And, of course, we've had some not that smart.

[Guest]

Sam, and all new members, rather then try to tell us how to rewrite a forum that has been the most successful Bac forum on the internet since the inception of the internet you might try what the more experienved members do. As you study the forum note the thread and post # of the posts you find revealing to you. You might even copy them over on your word processor and create you own manual. You will find that nearly every question you could ask has already been asked and explained in detail. But I have to get back to the 4D. That's where the unanswered questions are being asked. Don't even attempt the 4D until you know NOR frontwards and backwards. The 4D utilizes some NOR concepts but we don't reexplain NOR. Nobody has that much time.

[Ice Cool Sam]

Ruebel

Again. I am not pointing fingers at anyone.

I am a civil engineer. I live in Australia. I am 28. I was graduated from Melbourne university with High Distinction. I have an IQ of 121 (on the Briana scale out of 125).

I am one of the youngest project managers in my company so I don't know maybe I have a bit of IQ and not as bad as you think.

I do small scale project management. I calculate all the risks, provide all the required information and then observe the process.

Is there anything else you would like to know?

Also if someone criticizes me for something I don't call them retarded, rude and having anger management issue. I try to look into the issue and SOLVE it.

hey sambo,you are wasting more time complaining and pointing your finger at all of us.Take some advice,you have said from an earlier post that you have a very low somewhat IQ.Take the manual and read it at least 10 times,read all the posts and maybe in a month come back and ask better questions.You are filling up every post with your cry baby complaints and they don't belong here.we have a spot for those on another thread.Give us your background and maybe this will help us figure out your nor problems.examples your age,country you live,education and the casinos you play.answer this question:do you really think that investing in a $600 manual that you are going to make millions a day?How much a day are you looking for?Try to act ice cool,if not change!

[Sport]

SAMBO, DUDE, maybe you are over qualfied?Take a step back and try to think out of the box.DON'T TRY TO HYPER ANALYZE THE MANUAL.THE MANUAL IS YOUR GO TO GUIDE LINE.Practice on paper over and over again.If what your saying about your education is true,you should have no problem gaining an upper edge on the casinos anywhere in this world.What casino do you play at?Myself and others would like to hear of a casino trip report from australia.Just for your info,I am not bragging but any day any casino my skills are{horses,dice,bac,blckjack and roulette}.I will walk out with $275 to $800 plus.Remember:I am just as happy leaving a casino with $275,as I am with $800.I only wish that I had Ellis's Nor and blackjack manuals 25 years ago when I lived and worked in las Vegas.KEEP IT COOL

[Guest]

I try to look into the issue and SOLVE it.

That's good enough for me. BTW Sam my early background was Engineering too - Electro-mechanical product design. Later systems design such as the baggage handling system at OHare.

[Ice Cool Sam]

I sort of agree with you.

Maybe it's too much working with bloody Microsoft Project. Even for a small holiday I will sit down and bring it in MS Project. that's what made me really frustrated but I am going to read the whole NOR forum and then see what happens.

Unfortunately right now I am in middle of a desert with limited internet. I will give you some reports. The best places to play baccarat in Australia are probably Perth, Melbourne and Sydney. I haven't been to Sydney's casino yet.

The rest like Brisbane, Darwin and Adelaide (where I live) is a joke. they are like mini casinos compared to the ones you have in states. In Adelaide there is like 12 tables on the main floor. usually 6-8 are open and only on busy nights you see the rest open up.

I have been playing baccarat for maybe a year and I have never played (and never will) any other casino game.

I really like to specialize in this game since I think there is a little hope to win. With the rest of the casino games there is no hope. Seriously.

SAMBO, DUDE, maybe you are over qualfied?Take a step back and try to think out of the box.DON'T TRY TO HYPER ANALYZE THE MANUAL.THE MANUAL IS YOUR GO TO GUIDE LINE.Practice on paper over and over again.If what your saying about your education is true,you should have no problem gaining an upper edge on the casinos anywhere in this world.What casino do you play at?Myself and others would like to hear of a casino trip report from australia.Just for your info,I am not bragging but any day any casino my skills are{horses,dice,bac,blckjack and roulette}.I will walk out with $275 to $800 plus.Remember:I am just as happy leaving a casino with $275,as I am with $800.I only wish that I had Ellis's Nor and blackjack manuals 25 years ago when I lived and worked in las Vegas.KEEP IT COOL

[Ice Cool Sam]

By the way $275 is a very good money. @ $7000 a month. I don;t know if you have to pay taxes on casino earnings in US but here you don't. An engineer with 10 years experience might get that.

So if I can win 200 a day I will be more than delighted.

I sort of agree with you.

Maybe it's too much working with bloody Microsoft Project. Even for a small holiday I will sit down and bring it in MS Project. that's what made me really frustrated but I am going to read the whole NOR forum and then see what happens.

Unfortunately right now I am in middle of a desert with limited internet. I will give you some reports. The best places to play baccarat in Australia are probably Perth, Melbourne and Sydney. I haven't been to Sydney's casino yet.

The rest like Brisbane, Darwin and Adelaide (where I live) is a joke. they are like mini casinos compared to the ones you have in states. In Adelaide there is like 12 tables on the main floor. usually 6-8 are open and only on busy nights you see the rest open up.

I have been playing baccarat for maybe a year and I have never played (and never will) any other casino game.

I really like to specialize in this game since I think there is a little hope to win. With the rest of the casino games there is no hope. Seriously.

[Ice Cool Sam]

Thanks a lot for the explanation. I will read through it thoroughly and hopefully be able to understand it. If not I will ask more questions.

[Guest]

I sort of agree with you.

Maybe it's too much working with bloody Microsoft Project. Even for a small holiday I will sit down and bring it in MS Project. that's what made me really frustrated but I am going to read the whole NOR forum and then see what happens.

Unfortunately right now I am in middle of a desert with limited internet. I will give you some reports. The best places to play baccarat in Australia are probably Perth, Melbourne and Sydney. I haven't been to Sydney's casino yet.

The rest like Brisbane, Darwin and Adelaide (where I live) is a joke. they are like mini casinos compared to the ones you have in states. In Adelaide there is like 12 tables on the main floor. usually 6-8 are open and only on busy nights you see the rest open up.

I have been playing baccarat for maybe a year and I have never played (and never will) any other casino game.

I really like to specialize in this game since I think there is a little hope to win. With the rest of the casino games there is no hope. Seriously.

Now you're talking. Correct, the odds against you are in fact the lowest of any game in the casino. Yet somehow the average player finds a way to lose at a pace several times the odds against him. But this should tell any thinking man (ha and particularly an Engineer) that if there is a way to lose at a pace far greater than the odds, there MUST be an equal and opposite way to win at that same pace or possibly even greater..