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  2. NOR Questions & Answers by E. Clifton Davis and Various ECD Players March 11, 2011

    in BeatTheCasino.com Q and A Baccarat and Blackjack

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    Well, not quite. You are in Mode 3. There is no question of the Mode because there have been no 4s. Mode THREE means go OTR after THREE lost bets. (after a 4) So you would NOT go OTR under the 3 in a row. You make your 3 bet on Opposite and end up with a score of +9.

    The 5 in a row makes the Mode somewhat questionable at that point because there have been no 3s or 4s at that point which is unusual. But the governing rule is: When starting S40 in the blind, stay in Mode 3 until there is an actual 4. Why? Because Mode 3 automatically beats all 1's, 2s and 3s. Mode 2 beats 1's and 2s but loses to 3's which is exactly what happened the way you played it.

    Thanks Ellis its just the confused me a little bit and i was not sure if I should include the 5 in a row in the sap count which I did not.

    thanks again also if you do a training on the west coast or Las Vegas let me know or if you do a virtual training that would be cool

  3. NOR Questions & Answers by E. Clifton Davis and Various ECD Players March 11, 2011

    in BeatTheCasino.com Q and A Baccarat and Blackjack

    Posted

    Well, you made the same mistake I made 3 trips ago when I had the flu. You waited too long to make your move. But even so, there is no way you should have lost this shoe no matter what you did IF you played 40 correctly.

    First, you are correct. This is an extremely choppy shoe. But your highest OR count is +6, not +7. And you end up at +2. Remember, you can't count the first play so the OR count starts at play No. 2 at +1.

    Nevertheless this shoe starts out so choppy I'll bet the prior shoes were also choppy at this table. Therefore you likely started right out with S40 -3. Remember that we start in Mode 3 until there is a 4. There is never a 4 in this shoe so we never get out of mode 3.

    So, OK I started at play 2 and just flat bet at 1 until play 6 where you lose your 1 bet. Your score went from +4 to +3 so you have plenty of money to make your 2 bet at play 7 and that is what you would do given the OR count is very agreeable at +3 at that point. So you cruise along with your 1,2 prog and find yourself at +9 score at the top circle of the 5. But then you lose your 123 against the 5 making your score +3 at play 16. Now you make your OTR bet. I would have bet 4 since I'm betting with mostly their money. But even if you bet onlt 1 unit OTR you're fine. In Mode 3 you only stay OTR for 1 bet so at play 18 you are betting either 2 or 1 on Opposite.

    If you bet a 4,2 on and off the run at plays 17 and 18 you finish at +10. If you bet 4,1 like I did you finish at +9. But even if you only bet 1,1 at plays 17 and 18, you still finish at +6. Even if you played Mode 2 by mistake you still win. S40 does not lose to 5s regardless of Mode. Even if you decided to skip the OTR bet altogether you STILL win.

    So how did you find a way to lose??? I'll bet you made the same mistake I made that flu trip and stayed with flat bet too long.

    Here's the thing. If it's their money bet it! Don't worry about it until you are betting YOUR money.

    Or maybe you waited too long to start and when the 5 came along you couldn't cover the 123 loss.

    Hey, waiting too long is almost as bad as starting too early.

    It's too bad because it probably would have turned out an easy +20 shoe.

    BTW, even had you advanced to the 234 or even the 345 well before the 5, you still win at +6.

    Boy, isn't Monday morning quarterbacking easy!

    Hey Ellis

    How would you play the rest of the shoe after the 5 player in a row I'm still paying S40 but since the 5 in row on player I think I would go OTR after 2 losses in a row but lost so should I have stayed opposites go OTR after two losses?

    Thanks

  4. NOR Questions & Answers by E. Clifton Davis and Various ECD Players March 11, 2011

    in BeatTheCasino.com Q and A Baccarat and Blackjack

    Posted · Edited by donw

    Well, you made the same mistake I made 3 trips ago when I had the flu. You waited too long to make your move. But even so, there is no way you should have lost this shoe no matter what you did IF you played 40 correctly.

    First, you are correct. This is an extremely choppy shoe. But your highest OR count is +6, not +7. And you end up at +2. Remember, you can't count the first play so the OR count starts at play No. 2 at +1.

    Nevertheless this shoe starts out so choppy I'll bet the prior shoes were also choppy at this table. Therefore you likely started right out with S40 -3. Remember that we start in Mode 3 until there is a 4. There is never a 4 in this shoe so we never get out of mode 3.

    So, OK I started at play 2 and just flat bet at 1 until play 6 where you lose your 1 bet. Your score went from +4 to +3 so you have plenty of money to make your 2 bet at play 7 and that is what you would do given the OR count is very agreeable at +3 at that point. So you cruise along with your 1,2 prog and find yourself at +9 score at the top circle of the 5. But then you lose your 123 against the 5 making your score +3 at play 16. Now you make your OTR bet. I would have bet 4 since I'm betting with mostly their money. But even if you bet onlt 1 unit OTR you're fine. In Mode 3 you only stay OTR for 1 bet so at play 18 you are betting either 2 or 1 on Opposite.

    If you bet a 4,2 on and off the run at plays 17 and 18 you finish at +10. If you bet 4,1 like I did you finish at +9. But even if you only bet 1,1 at plays 17 and 18, you still finish at +6. Even if you played Mode 2 by mistake you still win. S40 does not lose to 5s regardless of Mode. Even if you decided to skip the OTR bet altogether you STILL win.

    So how did you find a way to lose??? I'll bet you made the same mistake I made that flu trip and stayed with flat bet too long.

    Here's the thing. If it's their money bet it! Don't worry about it until you are betting YOUR money.

    Or maybe you waited too long to start and when the 5 came along you couldn't cover the 123 loss.

    Hey, waiting too long is almost as bad as starting too early.

    It's too bad because it probably would have turned out an easy +20 shoe.

    BTW, even had you advanced to the 234 or even the 345 well before the 5, you still win at +6.

    Boy, isn't Monday morning quarterbacking easy!

    Hello Good to hear from you I did not start the shoe until play 6 and I just flat bet 1 unit until I have 3 to 4 units up then I go for 1,2,3,4 M2 Mode

    yup I see my mistake.

    when you say cash management do not go below -8 units I am guessing if you are up lets say 7units you don go below -1 unit is that correct ?

    anyway I'm going to keep playing tonight I hate where I play at the commerce casino here in Los Angeles Ca you have to put up 1 Dollar every time you make a bet its dragon 7 baccarat that 1 dollar kills me 20 plays means your $20.00 dollars down already it sucks anyway thanks for your help Ellis

  5. NOR Questions & Answers by E. Clifton Davis and Various ECD Players March 11, 2011

    in BeatTheCasino.com Q and A Baccarat and Blackjack

    Posted

    Hey guys Ok I thought I got nor backwards and forwards well guess what I don't had a losing day I would like to get your thoughts

    1st shoe p1111221125321 started like a s-40 shoe the highest O/R count was +7 at play 12 up up 3 units at that point just flat betting 1 unit just to see how the shoe goes then the 5 in A row came in screwed me up at - 6 units i walked I watched for a while at the last play I just posted the O/R count was +3

    your thoughts on how you would have played this show would be appreciated SAP count was 7,6,4,8 I counted the 5 in A row as A 4+ I think tht you can use 5 or more in the sap count that is what makes sense anyway let me know what you guys think

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