[RD1 | N Discussion and Rules ECD Group February 22, 2010]

nevermind, I think that I understand it now.

[RD1 | N Discussion and Rules ECD Group February 22, 2010]

I have not been wanting to ask this question but I need help. Can someone point me to a place where I can find more information on net betting? I have been looking but I have not found anything that answers my specific questions. I understand most of it, but I tend to get confused about what to do when I start at 0v0. Do both sides have to go up? Or does the winning side go up? Actually if somebody can answer this question then I think I will understand it.

Lets say that Player won which makes the count 1v0. Next, Player wins again and the count becomes what? 0v1 or 2v1? This is where I am getting confused.

[The 150th Running Test Shoe]

ok, I will use the OT count as well the next time I play MVS+. I was playing a shoe last night and I was losing to the ZZ runs with lack of 2's, All of the sudden I realized that TB4L was the method to go with but it was too late. I should have been paying attention to SAP, the OT count will help me with this.

Sometimes I also do not bet on a run of 3. If I see that there are a lot of 3's in the SAP I make another OTB4L bet.

[The 150th Running Test Shoe]

Thanks for your reply. you are right about the -8, it is too low.

haha we both have the same "Big Three" There are a lot of good Systems here.

[The 150th Running Test Shoe]

MVS,

I found your threads and decided to take a closer look at your system. So far I like it a lot. It has beenw working great for me combined with NU SAP and as far as I am aware I actually think you were doing someting like this. It seem like the rules are a bit spread out. I am suprised that more people have not taken a look at your method (or maybe they have and I just missed something) considering that the results have been so good.

Are you still using the 1, 2, 3 progression with a mild increase after a few wins in a row? I have been following a 1,1,2 progression until I reach a profit of 2. Then I deploy the 1,2,3 and I do not alawys make taht 3 bet. Only if I know it wont kill me. and if i win 4 or 5 in a row I will start to increase my bets until a loss.

And all of the rules from the other thread about moving to green are still in play correct?

-wait 3 decisions. If P111/B111, RD1 or TB4L-After loss otb4l

-If comfirmed ZZ then jump on ZZ until end.-after loss -otb4l

If 121 or anything else like that then OTB4L

-Anytime you see 3 in a row just on the 3 in a row (unless SAP tells us that this is not a good idea)

-jump on confirmed zz

-3 losses and wait for paper win.

-Stop loss? I was thinking -8 but seeing how fast this system can get a high socre maybe -12 or -15 for me.

I think I hit on everything. This is what I have gathered while going through your posts.

has anything changed since then?

Thanks

[The F2 and F3 thing again]

Click on the downloads tab and then universal baccarat. there is a blank scorecard you can download. When you have a shoe to post, just click on advanced options, then manage attachments, then a window will open where you can select the file (your scanned scorecard) and upload it. It will then automatically be included in your post.

We use 4 columns The first thing in each column is either B or P depending on what the first hand starts with. Then we just list the events (1, 2's 3's etc.) So B21234211112 would be BB P BB PPP BBBB PP B P B P BB. Each column except the last will add up to 20 hands. Here's a full example for the Corrected shoe Ellis just completed:

P121113211115

P11223122114

B332111111321

P11141121

Hope this helps.

PJ

Thanks for your help

[The F2 and F3 thing again]

Is there a thread anywhere here that explains how to transcribe the BTC way? I can't find one.

[The F2 and F3 thing again]

F2 means Follow the 2. You "follow" under every 2 in a row. You wait for the first 2

in a row and bet under it staying on that side until there is a 2 on the other side.

Then you follow that 2. The only other rule is that once you switch sides you must

stay on the new side for at least 3 plays to avoid losing to the TTs.

I have two questions questions. Lets say that the Player side had the most recent run of 2 but banker was the last decision. Banker shoes up again when i bet player. Since banker now has 2, do I move to banker even though I did not make a min of 3 bets? you said that the rule is that you switch sides and you stay on that side for 3 plays. Is this rule not in play for when you first start F2? That is my first question and it happened to me last night and I wasn't sure what to do.

Second, What if the last 2 in a row was 10-20 decisions back? Would it be smart to look at the P/B count and bet with the side that had the higher count or does it just make more sense to go with the side that had the last 2 in a row even though it was awhile back?