Ellis, please, did you just not say or intimate in "Attention Ellis" post that flat bet is not viable unless you discover certaiin "triggers" in individual casinos as per Paul Starr? Seriously, you have consistently ridiculed me for, well, a long time (Aegis, too) for advocating the viability of flat betting and now. . .??? Yes, you do have to win more hands then lose in flat bet - that's academic and also have to overcome the juice. Also academic. Is flat betting really harder then progressions? We still have to win more of the big bets than small bets and overcome the juice. It's simple really, for every bet that you lose in a progression you have to make another bet that is bigger than that losing bet to make a profit and pay the juice! Yeah, progressions can win more shoes but not necessarily a greater % of dollars bet. Jimske