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Oz, I agree with a lot of your advice and I just wish I could play half as well as you.
You have developed a style of playing and consistently winning with a simple approach of flat betting or using a 1-2 loop, I am just amazed at how you are able bet on the correct side of the shoe, from shoe to shoe.
PLEASE, PLEASE continue to teach all of us at BTC, you have a very big following and a lot of eager players that would like to learn more about how you play and advice that can provide to help everyone become a winning player.
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15 hours ago, brad01 said:
Guys i joined about 14 months ago and only recently have I settled on my playing method
its taken me a year of solid practise to see things clearly
I am 53 units into a 57 unit base x10 plan - read money management members only post
when I complete that (I expect this weekend) I will start a new one and on completion I will be playing 100 x my base and full time
1 more is 1000 x my base and that's big $$
that's all flat bet
it is totally possible.
all the info is here and if anyone wants to pm me or go on chat I'm happy to play an online shoe live with you so you can see how I play - you give me the results and i'll give you my plays and lets see if we are up by the end
theres better players here but I'm making the offer to you guys
Please support keith and mike and the forum who have invested a lot of money into it and stats for profit and give members access to EVERYTHING - PAST AND PRESENT AND FUTURE FOR ONE FEE PER MONTH
If you PM me and learn $50 per month will not bother you any more because you will get that money back within weeks and much more
put that scammer out of your mind - all you need is here
there are low lifes in every walk of life just stay away from them
Brad, your profile indicates that you have been a member since July 2011, is that correct or incorrect????
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Go4Broke, I feel your pain, I currently play NOR with very limited success due to the shoe constantly changing from S40 to Streak to OTB4L. There is no consistency at the casinos that I patronize regarding NOR, maybe 1 out of 10 or 15 shoes there may be some consistency playing NOR without switching between the different methods.
I have had some success with MDB+ which you are betting fewer hands per shoe, using a 1-2-4 progression following 7 different triggers, however I have to travel several hours to get to a casino. If I win 10 units playing MDB+ I don't stop playing due to the traveling time required to get to the casino, then I have a losing 1-2-4 progression, now I am up only 3 units. I guess if I would be playing $100 to $1000 units it would be easier to stop playing after winning 10 units, that is the only complaint that I have regarding MDB+, however there is a lot of players on the forum that are having tremendous success playing NOR, MDB+ or different systems on the forum.
I subscribed to the Premium Subscriptions service during the January signup period for the introductory price of $25 per month, looked over the different manuals and information and decided after 1 month that I will wait until they develop the Stats for Profits looking at different methods besides MDB+, Currently not a premium member, I joined the BTC forum in 2011 however I have not been a consistent winner since joining, currently retired and considering quitting playing baccarat, since I just cannot win on a consistent session to session timeframe.
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4 hours ago, wolfat said:
Don't know if this is the correct thread, anyway...
it's a couple of days that I am playing L3EM with "delayed triggers" as companion system of MDB.
By delayed trigger I mean that, applying L3EM as per Brad stated, I put money on the trigger only when this trigger wins 3 iar or 3/4.
This way I catch long biases that usually appears at least one time for shoe, at a very low risk. I add to this way to play MDB+, to get more opportunities to bet.
I usually bet ar. 1 times per shoe and for me is ok. I get 2-4 units quite easily, it depends on how triggers develop, and very safely.
Wolfat, are you playing the 3 event method with delayed triggers and winning 2-4 units per shoe??? Different way to play baccarat game for exploit opportunities.
I have tried playing 3 event method just flat betting, win or lose and stopping after 1 win or loss of each trigger, but I seem to win or lose about 1 or 2 units per shoe, just not proving to be a winning way of playing at the type of shoes that I have seen at my local casinos in my surrounding area.
Are you flat betting or using a negative progression???
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On 2/26/2016 at 5:08 PM, brad01 said:
what you are saying is correct.
243 loses first bet after trigger but wins second.
with 1,2 progression LW result wins. not sure if this is what I meant.
will post all triggers on scoresheet this weekend
Brad, I was looking at the 24 as a flat bet , however if using a 1 2 progression I completely follow your winning triggers under these conditions.
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On 1/21/2016 at 3:43 AM, brad01 said:
B113233222211241124362321115111
32 = OTBL = win
323 = OTBL again = win
33 = Repeat = loss
32 = OTBL = win
Strong OTBL bias (3 of 4 wins)
Go OTBL till 2 losses
wwwwwLL
5 wins / 2 loss = +3 on the run
24 = repeat = loss (thinking about taking this one out as not getting results I want - maybe only use 34, 43, 33)
24 = repeat = win (maybe not - 50% win so far this shoe)
43 = repeat = win
36 (trigger at 33) = win - that's 3 repeat wins in a row - go repeat till 2 losses
wwLwLwwLwLL = +2 on the run
1115 (trigger at 1113 as strong repeat / OTBL / 2's clumping followed by S40M1 trigger)
+8 and showing strong bias in shoe
Go 1,2 progression till loss of progression
wLww = +4 on the run S40M1 using 1,2 progression
score = +12
THIS HAS NOT BEEN PLAYED THROUGH CHOOSING TRIGGERS AFTER I HAVE SEEN THE SHOE IT USES THE SAME SET UP TRIGGERS AND BETS FLAT BET WIN OR LOSS AND MOVES ON
IT IS PRETTY MECHANICAL
IF STRONG BIAS (2 OR 3 CONSECUTIVE WINS ON SAME BIAS) THEN CAN GO ON THE RUN FLAT BET TO CAPITALISE ON LONG BIAS UNTIL 2 LOSSES
IF FAR AHEAD AND BIASES STILL STRONG / LONG CAN SWITCH TO 1,2 UP AS LOSE OR 1,2 LOOP TILL LOSE PROGRESSION TO FURTHER CAPITALISE.
STOP LOSS -5
Brad, I am confused about the second 24 triggers (repeat) that you indicate is a winner, but the next hand switches sides resulting is a loss, am I following this trigger correctly??
I have been trying to follow and understand these triggers, please clarify those specific trigger in the shoe if I am not correct.
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5 hours ago, zeckam said:
Brad
You are right. don'tplay mdb in my casino because the shoes are highly bias. In fact I play SAP. Chop the MC and follow the LC.
Zeek, what do you mean by chop the MC????????????
I understand about following the Least Common, but I am not sure about what you are saying about Chop the Most Common., please give me an example about what you are referencing about chop the MC.
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1 hour ago, Wendel said:
I understand what you are saying and agree, but I could have worded my question better
so I will try again to clarify what we are saying
a 313 is three events
a 3113 is three events
it doesn't really matter what the bookends are long as they are confirmed. and they can be anything but ones
a 311 is confirmed 3 and the 11 is part of an unconfirmed event
Wendel, I would look @ a 3113 as 4 events since the two ones are switching from side to side or switching from player to banker.
Brad please let everyone know about how to interpret these events and the number of events.
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After following this forum since the Premium Membership has been put into service. I have noticed that there is not much activity on the Premium site. I will not be spending any money on a monthly membership from this site due to buying several different methods from the forum and I have not had any LONG TERM success following each of the several systems that were purchased over the past 4 and 1/2 year and coming to numerous LAS VEGAS seminars over time with this forum. I am extremely disappointed that I have not been able to win consistently with MDB+, I have had my lowest shoe or session losses with MDB+ but NO LONG TERM SUCCESS. I don't have the time or patience to tweak the triggers or rules on MDB+ or NOR or NOR+, since I purchased what I was led to believe, that these methods would win after I read and learned the methods and played according to the rules in these methods or systems of baccarat . I have also noticed that since Ellis was banned from the forum, there is less and less of interaction on different ways to dissect and play baccarat shoes. I was led to believe in the Sept 2015 MDB+ seminar in Las Vegas that Keith and Pompano Mike were considering bring Ellis back into the forum. This forum needs direction and at the present time this (forum) ship appears rudderless and drifting at sea. Good Luck with the Premium Membership.
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I seem to always get ahead at the beginning of my session but before I quit for the day it seems that I will end up losing most of my units back to the casino.
Currently playing MDB+ but I can't seem to grow my bankroll.
Played during the LAS VEGAS summit, won the first 2 days there @ the GOLD COAST, Lost first trigger @ GOLD COAST on the third day, went across the street to PALMS won 2 units there and proceeded to played on the strip and won the other 5 units.
Lost another trigger @ Palazzo and finished the day down 7 units. Quit after going down then even then down again.
After arriving back in St. Louis went to play @ AMERISTAR casino and won 10 units over 2 and half shoe before losing a trigger for a grand total of 3 units.
My point is that I have been having trouble winning and building my bankroll due to winning a few units only to have a losing trigger or 2 and fighting to get back to even.
Mike
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So heres the tracking of all patterns of the entire shoe:
3-4, 4-4, 5-4, 1-3, 5-4, 3-4, 4-4, 6-4, 7-4, 3-4, 4-5, 2-4, 1-4, 2-6, 5-5, 3-6, 4-7, 1-4, 5-4, 1-3, 2-9, 6-5, 5-6, 6-4
you can see from the last numbers of the tracking digits (1-(4)) that it averages 4 pretty consistently right form the start.
Towards the end it raises slightly.
On average the break point sits between 4 - 6 from shoe to shoe I found from my experience
Looking at this one starting at 4 if we flat bet a break of 4 the whole way through, moving on after a win or loss and not chasing the break past 1 bet we get
WWWWWWWWWLWWLLLLWWLLLW
14W
8L
+6 flat bet
up as you win would have killed it
Hope this helps people understand how this works and ask questions if you still don't
This is a pretty consistent average on this shoe so its a good example but there are many more ways to play this to give you a higher average and get onto runs etc
Towards the end when the average rose up to 5 - 6 I would possibly have raised the break point rather than keep it at 4 when it was incurring losses but for simplicity's sake I played it at 4 the whole way through.
An average is exactly that an average and so with the very consistent average of 4 right at the start you would expect it to rise towards the end of the shoe to put the overall average between 4 - 6 which it did
Brad, I have noticed that post #3 and post #8 the patterns are in a different order.
Would you please let everyone know the posting # which you are using to determine your patterns?????
I realize that you will posting a shoe in which you won on 14 different bets and lost 8 different bets.
PLEASE, PLEASE posting the order of patterns that you are following, so everyone can follow when you are betting and WHY you are betting.
Very impressive winning 6 units by FLAT BETTING.
You have experimented OUTSIDE of the BOX with a new way to play baccarat with success that is very intriguing and unusual.
Continued success and thanks you for teaching everyone on the FORUM another way to interpret the decisions at the baccarat tables.
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I number all patterns - now I change order from most choppy to most streaky:
1. PBPB
2. PPBPPB
3. BBPBBP
4. PPBB
5. PPPBBB
6. PPPP
7. BBBB
so if you get the pattern PBPBB then its 1-4 as its pattern 1 breaking after 4 plays
if you get BBBBBP then its pattern 7 breaking after 5 plays (7-5)
you can scan bake and see the pattern sequence and the average break points
Brad are you saying if there is a 3 IAR followed by a 2 IAR, that you would make a bet that there maybe another 3 IAR followed by a 2 IAR????
Similar to pattern #6 or 7 and ending after a 3 IAR, so you would bet the next 3 bets will be on the same side.
Could you explain what you are talking about when describing about break point in the shoe, not sure if I have a understanding of topic.
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you have to wait at least 3 bets for a pattern to form - sometimes 4
eg PBP can tell after 3 plays
PPP is it PPPBBB or PPPP
PPB is it PPBPPB or PPBB
if you track like 1-4, 3-3, 4-7 you can predict when a pattern will go long and flat bet it or when one will go short and bet against it. also if one pattern jumps to same one a few times then can bet it will jump to different one next time so can win with that
also some patterns will have higher average break points than others so can use that too.
Brad, would you be kind enough to give an explanation on 1-4, 3-3, 4-7 patterns.
I don't understand these patterns or how you are betting.
Are you betting after a example of 4-7 pattern, that there will be 4IAR and then 7IAR????
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I would like to see (understand) how you are making your betting decisions with a baccarat shoe and explanation of why you made these bets.
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Just finished making reservation for Las Vegas Baccarat summit, can't wait to meet everyone.
Let the good times roll.
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Don't forget to use TBL when the shoe is low in 2,s, I always look at the shoe that I am playing and do a SAP count and play what is happening over the last 4 events. This could be used instead of F as long as the shoe is low in 2,s.
To me, F can be either single strong- side, like P5241624Or, it can be both sides lots of " repeats.."
Like P54453346
Not so sure about the modes for F, are they really meaningful, as likely would have to switch a lot of times in the same " sequence"
Mostly Keith , appreciate your input as we need all BTC long-term players to weigh-in on their experiences so we produce the best resulting Cheat Sheet...
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Max could you explain what the numbers behind the casinos, are they the number of baccarat tables at these casinos?????
-Near ChinatownGOLD COAST HOTEL AND CASINO 14
PALMS CASINO RESORT 5
RIO SUITE HOTEL & CASINO 2
PALACE STATION HOTEL & CASINO 7
-Strip
MGM GRAND HOTEL/CASINO 9
WYNN LAS VEGAS 9
ARIA RESORT & CASINO 6
ORLEANS HOTEL AND CASINO 6
PARIS LAS VEGAS 5
BELLAGIO 4
MANDALAY BAY RESORT & CASINO 4
VENETIAN CASINO RESORT 4
CAESARS PALACE 3
FLAMINGO LAS VEGAS/O'SHEAS 3
HARRAH'S CASINO HOTEL LAS VEGAS 3
LUXOR HOTEL AND CASINO 3
MIRAGE, THE 3
NEW YORK - NEW YORK HOTEL & CASINO 3
TREASURE ISLAND 3
LAS VEGAS HILTON 2
MONTE CARLO RESORT & CASINO 2
TROPICANA RESORT AND CASINO 2
COSMOPOLITAN OF LAS VEGAS, THE 1
EXCALIBUR HOTEL AND CASINO 1
HARD ROCK HOTEL & CASINO 1
PLANET HOLLYWOOD RESORT & CASINO 1
RIVIERA HOTEL & CASINO 1
-Offstrip
M RESORT SPA AND CASINO, THE 4
SOUTH POINT HOTEL AND CASINO 4
RED ROCK CASINO RESORT SPA 3
BOULDER STATION HOTEL & CASINO 2
GREEN VALLEY RANCH STATION CASINO 2
SUNSET STATION HOTEL & CASINO 2
AQUARIUS CASINO RESORT 1
SANTA FE STATION HOTEL & CASINO 1
STRATOSPHERE TOWER, CASINO & HOTEL 1
SUNCOAST HOTEL AND CASINO 1
-Downtown
GOLDEN NUGGET 2
EL CORTEZ 1
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-Full size Baccarat
VENETIAN CASINO RESORT 49
WYNN LAS VEGAS 49
CAESARS PALACE 45
BELLAGIO 27
MGM GRAND HOTEL/CASINO 26
ARIA RESORT & CASINO 25
MIRAGE, THE 23
MANDALAY BAY RESORT & CASINO 10
PARIS LAS VEGAS 8
RIO SUITE HOTEL & CASINO 6
TREASURE ISLAND 6
PALACE STATION HOTEL & CASINO 5
PLANET HOLLYWOOD RESORT & CASINO 5
COSMOPOLITAN OF LAS VEGAS, THE 3
HARD ROCK HOTEL & CASINO 3
MONTE CARLO RESORT & CASINO 3
ALIANTE STATION CASINO + HOTEL 1
GREEN VALLEY RANCH STATION CASINO 1
HARRAH'S CASINO HOTEL LAS VEGAS 1
PALMS CASINO RESORT 1
HARVEYS RESORT HOTEL/CASINO AND HARRAH'S 1
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Keith and WAY2FAST if I read the triggers correctly, after 2 different ZZ of 4 bet, that the next ZZ of 3 stays @ 3 and does not go to a 4 ZZ.
However on screencast, the way that you demonstrated you indicated that the 2 zigzags of 4ZZ or more is a trigger.
According to the FULL WAY2FAST RULES posting #7, indicates that after 2 different zigzags of 4 ZZ without a 3 ZZ between this trigger stays a 3 ZZ. Example 5114 or 3114 Is this the correct way to play this trigger????
Has anyone played MDB+ successfully @ a casino that deals regular cards?????????????
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The bottom part indicates that for every 4 hands there should be a 1 IAR, every 8 hands there should be a 2 IAR, every 16 hands there should be a 3 IAR all the way until you get to every 1024 shoes there should be a 15 IAR. This give you a approximate number as you play the game of baccarat.
A 6 IAR happens about every 1 out of 2 shoes, an 11 IAR happens about every 64 shoes.
I hope my explanation helps you understand the dynamics of baccarat. Nothing will happen exactly the way it is described on this card. Just general information to help you understand what should happen over an infinite number of baccarat shoes.
K,thank you for sharing. I dont understand very well the bottom part, could you explain this better? thanks
PS your method betting OTBL / OPT / RPT is still going on?
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Is the revamped forum going to concentrate on Baccarat only?
Or is the other Forum topics like horse racing, free stuff, roulette, poker room, blackjack or sports betting ETC, ETC going away?
I am just interested in learning how to become a winning baccarat PLAYER, none of the other stuff I have no interest!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Correct. I made a business decision based on two of his posts that he no longer can be a part of this forum.It''s very simple and I wont get into a bashing contest. I am going to revamp the forum with new teachers and hope you all stick around.
And a fresh outlook.
Keith
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McVINCE, could you please post 1 or 2 shoes showing your bets when playing TBL and waiting out the shoe until you place another bet on TBL?????
I am currently playing similar to you by tracking the SAP count and playing what ever system the SAP dictates, only playing about 20-30 bets per shoe.
Would like to see a shoe or 2 to see if this way of playing will possibly eliminate losing shoes and build confidence playing baccarat, I myself do not like to bet every hand because if I happen to be up 6 units and the next 3 betting opportunity, I hate to lose the 1,2,3 progression and end up back to 0 units.
I play in St. Louis area and they have regular card, so I cannot play MDB+ for large units.
I understand your logic. Everyone has their betting "Comfort Zones". My "Comfort Zone" is NOT betting every hand. I think MDB+ has proven with an extreme degree of certainty that if you strike when the moment is right, you will put yourself in the best possible position to win. I have been using the MDB+ logic and relayed it to this style of play. If you bet TB4L RIGHT AFTER AND ONLY AFTER a TB4L, you should be able to ride out the OTB4L storm. If it wins it wins. If it loses you ride out the other OTB4L storm until the next TB4L shows up. I have been experimenting betting EITHER TB4L AND OTB4L only with similar results. The reason I believe that the TB4L has a slight advantage is because in my two years experience playing Baccarat, I can only remember a handful of shoes that DID NOT contain an extended streak of ones or 3+. I also don't think this is a way of winning 20-30+ units like NOR. I think this could be a +5 theory just like MDB+. And used in conjunction with MDB+, it could bump up winnings. Again, something that I have been playing with live with success as well as past BTC shoes. Believe me, I am up for whatever critiques that can be thrown.
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I would absolutely be a buyer of an all encompassing NOR manual with all of these additional topic is a must have for all baccarat players looking to improve there game and defeat any casino where you play.
I am looking for any advantage that I can have prior to sitting down to any baccarat tables.
Start writing this manual as I cannot wait to have this manual in my hands to read and absorb all of this additional information to make everyone a more confident player in there attack on my area of the Midwest.
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Gil, you can find the attachment, which is a partial shoe under the thread MDB+ SAP questions
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What is the code if I am a NOR and MDB member??????????????
Is it the same code, when I order the UNIVERSAL 2 HI???????????????
The code for NOR players discount isEARLYBIRD
KS
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Baccman, did you get 93% checking that ZZ,s and Streaks betting that after 3 IAR that it would go to 4 IAR or was this just betting on the Streak side of the shoe?????