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  1. On 12/19/2015 at 11:49 AM, johnnycs1 said:

    Over on Elli's new web site....Papa Joe and a couple of other guys are saying Elli's new LCNB method ( least common net betting ) are doing well with it usin a 2Hi bet.......that was Norms favorite progression and also Papa joe's I think ? 

    Anyone have a clue how this new method is ? Its about a thousand I think , to join that forum ........I'm way over that amount here, having bought in here for $500...plus seminars attended plus air fare , hotel , car rental........and still have nothing to show for that money invested over the last 5 + years ! So thats it ...not spending anymore and would appreciate any insight, thoughts on LCNB .

    THANKS  !

     

    Hi JohnnyCS1,

    Have you watch the Liberty Mutual TV commercial about the girl who named her car Brad?

    It sounds like Ellis is repeating the Ultimate Net Betting Rules he created, plus adding the Least Common 4D approach, we  learned 2 years ago.

    Where you start your entries immediately under the first circle on each side betting U1, D2, M2 with a goal of 20+. Allowing

    only one losing entry under 2 or more and two losing entries under a single 1. Resume betting under the next circle on that side.

    You're also, looking at the Lowest Spread in the 4D count to switch and apply the normal Net Betting method.

  2. I'm looking forward to this one especially that it is in my backyard.... This should also make it easier for the east coast players that find it hard to travel all the way to Vegas to attend. South Florida is a beautiful place and mid October the weather starts to get better while most of the country turns colder.. I hope to see you all then. You can't find a much better place to get away for the weekend (especially those in the North East and Mid West)

    Damian

    Will see you there. I agree with you this is my back yard too, even though I have to drive 4 hours plus.... "This should also make it easier for the east coast players that find it hard to travel all the way to Vegas to attend. South Florida is a beautiful place and mid October the weather starts to get better while most of the country turns colder.."

    FrontAl

  3. Thats pretty good mate. I dont know a lot about craps but apparently there are some bets real close to 50/50 if you know them. We had 1 table here for a while but they closed it down. Good on keith for bringing up the up as u win discussion because its really just as valid as up as u lose. I played around with the 111224488 for a while too. In theory you think it would be easy to get a double win within the series. But towards the end uts a big risk for little reward. Frank Barstow says in his book that the thing with series is you will make most of your $ towards the start and towards the end you are dramatically increasing your risk with little reward. You just backed up that with what you said. Progressions aside though bet selection is king.

    Yes, Frank Barstow book "BEAT THE CASINO" is an excellent book to read (copyright 1979) and published in 1984.

  4. Brad, I played craps last night using the 111224488 and won 15 units in about an hour. I did have to go to the first 8 but most of the time I won on the 1's and 2's. I was just betting the don't pass and stopping if a shooter beat me twice.

    Yes, when I play craps on the don't side. Betting only after two players seven out or one player hits a craps win and sevens out. This is the smartest way to play craps.

  5. Read the book The Midas Touch by Bruce Irwin and he uses a reverse labouchere which he claims never lost

    Its a cancellation system where you complete the series and if you have confidence and experience to know you will complete the series then yes it can call for big bets.

    Like Keith says if your way ahead and have confidence then why not but I wouldn't do it without stop loss and just to try and take short term wins quickly for hit and run

    Theres another guy who supposedly used 111224488 double win / parlay for a living

    Also some Australian guys who used the following;

    11111 = 5 units

    Your bet is always the first 3 numbers of the series

    A loss gets added to the end

    So a win gives you 11 left

    then you have a loss

    112

    another loss

    1124

    then a win

    4

    a loss

    44

    a win

    complete

    crossing off 3 numbers on a win vs adding 1 for a loss gives you a very low win ratio needed but also adds high numbers on the series

    They used to play it on roulette and pick streaky tables - and they said you will have to get used to making large bets but this only bothered them at the start until they were way ahead and then they didn't care as had confidence they would complete the series.

    But I think the whole discussion is up as you win vs up as you lose rather than a HG system that will always work.

    Why not try the Patrick System: 1-1-1-2-2-3. Using the same principles, risking only 10 units and the highest bet would be parleying the 3.

  6. Hi Keith I tried this with based on Midas Touch system which is similar reverse labouchere cancellation system.

    But what happened is that on a bad run the bets increase.

    Depends how your wins come in - if its wwLwwL then its fine or even LLLLwww its ok but this method relies on consecutive wins like a parlay to cross off faster than you accumulate

    If its wLwLwL then all you do is increase uncrossed sums and cross off smaller values

    At least flat bet you break even and negative progression you win

    Not saying its not viable and cant work just based on what I experienced

    The thing with this system is most people think they can cancel out everything eventually and its like a HG or something so they keep betting and their bet selection goes down and their bet size goes up.

    Once again flat bet you never stray from the plan because you cant so I find it the absolute safest way but a 1,2 I could live with.

    But I'm open to ideas

    One thing I did hear of was a guy who made a living from 111224488

    Aim to win one unit

    first bet you bet 1

    then if lose go to a double win

    If lose go to parlay

    then onto the 2 for a double win

    if lose go to 2 for a parlay

    and so on

    at any step you only need 2 wins to come out +1

    Eg lose all the 1's and then get a double win on the 2 = +4

    Or lose the first 2 and then get a parlay = +6

    If lose the series start again

    With a good bet selection you could get a double win within the series quite a lot more than losing and maybe even win more than you lose

    But 8 unit higher than base bet - aaargh!

    It's called the 31 system.

  7. Originally Posted by brad01

    Re: Up as you win 221 Baccarat for pro players

    Hi Keith I tried this with based on Midas Touch system which is similar reverse labouchere cancellation system.

    But what happened is that on a bad run the bets increase.

    Depends how your wins come in - if its wwLwwL then its fine or even LLLLwww its ok but this method relies on consecutive wins like a parlay to cross off faster than you accumulate

    If its wLwLwL then all you do is increase uncrossed sums and cross off smaller values

    At least flat bet you break even and negative progression you win

    Not saying its not viable and cant work just based on what I experienced

    The thing with this system is most people think they can cancel out everything eventually and its like a HG or something so they keep betting and their bet selection goes down and their bet size goes up.

    Once again flat bet you never stray from the plan because you cant so I find it the absolute safest way but a 1,2 I could live with.

    But I'm open to ideas

    One thing I did hear of was a guy who made a living from 111224488

    Aim to win one unit

    first bet you bet 1

    then if lose go to a double win

    If lose go to parlay

    then onto the 2 for a double win

    if lose go to 2 for a parlay

    and so on

    at any step you only need 2 wins to come out +1

    Eg lose all the 1's and then get a double win on the 2 = +4

    Or lose the first 2 and then get a parlay = +6

    If lose the series start again

    With a good bet selection you could get a double win within the series quite a lot more than losing and maybe even win more than you lose

    But 8 unit higher than base bet - aaargh!

    It's called the 31 system.

  8. Baccarat is a battle you against the casino

    You against the odds

    Below is some inspirational quotes from the greatest martial artist of all time

    a guy who beat the odds.

    Not a big guy but a guy who used knowledge, technique, and discipline to overcome anything.

    Whenever you think its too hard read these - they give me motivation.

    [ATTACH]3249[/ATTACH]

    Be like water making its way through cracks. Do not be assertive, but adjust to the object, and you shall find a way around or through it. If nothing within you stays rigid, outward things will disclose themselves.

    Do not pray for an easy life, pray for the strength to endure a difficult one

    “Be happy, but never satisfied

    Adapt what is useful, reject what is useless, and add what is specifically your own.”

    A wise man can learn more from a foolish question than a fool can learn from a wise answer

    “If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them.”

    “I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who had practiced one kick 10,000 times.”

    “If you spend too much time thinking about a thing, you'll never get it done.”

    “Don't fear failure. — Not failure, but low aim, is the crime. In great attempts it is glorious even to fail

    More later

    Nice! "Breath deeply and keep your body and mind centered. Grasshopper".

  9. Ellis,

    Thank you, for clarifying the tracking of 1's, 2s, 3s and 4+.

    I have another question - Why do we need an OR column in our scorecard?

    When the SAP counts of 1's are High or 2nd Highest we have a + OR Count and visa versa when 1's are Low or 2nd Lowest we have a - OR Count. Likewise, SAP covers the OT Counts having High 2’s meaning a + O/T Count and Low 2's, or No 2’s means a - O/T Count.

  10. I'm just not sure. You might avoid some problem shoe starts that otherwise would have hit your stop loss, but you also might miss he best part of the shoe. SAP is a great tool, but remember it is nothing more than a count of the event patterns and doesn't tell you much more that what you can already see in the shoe. But I hear what you are saying -- if you knew for example that 3s would be MC, it would be a good shoe to skip playing (or at least not use U2Hi).

    I wonder if there is something that can be done with the progressions, or when to bet the high vs. low side, which would improve the performance in the so called "garbage" sections, without taking too much away from the very strong performance U2Hi delivers in the long ZZs and straight runs.

    How about when you see Two (2) Repeats in a Row. Start betting OTB4L or TB4L, until 2 loses. Then, resume 2 Hi Net Betting?

  11. Those shoes would be a good refresher on NOR+, but what we need are some 4D shoes played by Ellis on the new 4D scorecard. That would be most helpful and seeing the play by plays would answer many questions for those wanting to learn 4D. Posting shoes is not hard and I would be glad as would many others if Ellis needs help putting them up.

    Although I'm playing a different method, I've read the 4D info and find it very sound conceptually. These example shoes would help me answer my main question. Can this method with all it's required tracking and card notations and logging of info possibly be played at casino speed?

    I've always learned more by studying posted example shoes than any other method. It would also avoid Ellis continuously having to answer repeated questions. Everyone could study the examples and learn at a much faster rate.

    PJ

    May I ask what method you are using?

    FrontAl

  12. Those shoes would be a good refresher on NOR+, but what we need are some 4D shoes played by Ellis on the new 4D scorecard. That would be most helpful and seeing the play by plays would answer many questions for those wanting to learn 4D. Posting shoes is not hard and I would be glad as would many others if Ellis needs help putting them up.

    Although I'm playing a different method, I've read the 4D info and find it very sound conceptually. These example shoes would help me answer my main question. Can this method with all it's required tracking and card notations and logging of info possibly be played at casino speed?

    I've always learned more by studying posted example shoes than any other method. It would also avoid Ellis continuously having to answer repeated questions. Everyone could study the examples and learn at a much faster rate.

    PJ

    May I ask what method you are using?

    FrontAl

  13. Those shoes would be a good refresher on NOR+, but what we need are some 4D shoes played by Ellis on the new 4D scorecard. That would be most helpful and seeing the play by plays would answer many questions for those wanting to learn 4D. Posting shoes is not hard and I would be glad as would many others if Ellis needs help putting them up.

    Although I'm playing a different method, I've read the 4D info and find it very sound conceptually. These example shoes would help me answer my main question. Can this method with all it's required tracking and card notations and logging of info possibly be played at casino speed?

    I've always learned more by studying posted example shoes than any other method. It would also avoid Ellis continuously having to answer repeated questions. Everyone could study the examples and learn at a much faster rate.

    PJ

    PapaJoe,

    May I ask what method you are using?

    FrontAl

  14. Hi FrontAl and everyone- just curious does anyone know using a 3 step up as you win progression 1-2-2 , what do we do if we win the 1 and loss the first 2? Thanks, I'm just curious how to best use this.

    Start over at 1. The 1-2-2 progression loses after five attempts before completing the series.

    If your hit rate is greater than 5 attempts, then you need to re-evaluate your bet decisions.

    After winning and completing the 3-step series you're up 5 units, minus all of your 1 loses.

    Note: After playing this weekend at the Tampa Hard Rock I changed from PLAYER and BANKER NOT being independent of each other using the 3-step series. It did not work. Also, I reverted back to OT as explained by Ellis in his OT posts.

    Sorry, my Idea did not show good results even though the online casinos show good results. However, I still like the 3-step series (1-2-2) up as you win.

  15. Ellis or Anyone.....

    Any Ultimate Net Betting rules using the 2 Hi Progression as yet ?

    Could it be the ultimate method of all time !

    Thank You .

    Ultimate Net Betting does win a lot of shoes. This weekend I'll be at the Tampa Hard Rock and I am going to use an up as you win 3-step, 2 Hi Progression 1-2-2 on repeats only and 1-2 on chops.

    This progression only loses after five attempts on repeats before completing the series.

    After winning and completing the 3-step series you're up 5 units. Then, you start the series over again.

    If you win the first 1-2 units and lose the third 2-unit bet you gained 1-unit. You then, start over again.

    Keep in mind you follow the Ultimate Net Betting rules with one major change, (ANYTIME YOU LOSE (1 BET) to a CHOP And an (OT) PATTERN APPEARS TWICE. THEN, BET (OT) UNTIL IT LOSES (2 BETS) using the 3-step series, OTHERWISE BET REPEATS.

    NOTE: PLAYER and BANKER will be independent of each other using the 3-step series.

    I have been using this method with online casinos having great success averaging 10+ units but, not in a brick and mortar casino.

    I feel confident this method will work and report on results.

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