BronxAl
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yeah hes got a school in Melbourne
he must be the real deal
Yes, him and Bruce use to practice Chi Sao on top of Tea House tables in Hong Kong, China.
Even Bruce Lee himself boosted that his friend William Cheung's punches were timed at 8 seconds per punch.
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Do you know or heard of Master, William Cheung?
He resides and has a Wing Chun school somewhere in Australia.
Bruce Lee and William Cheung were friends and studied together in China under Grand Master ip Man.
This is before Bruce Lee moved to America.
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Baccarat is a battle you against the casino
You against the odds
Below is some inspirational quotes from the greatest martial artist of all time
a guy who beat the odds.
Not a big guy but a guy who used knowledge, technique, and discipline to overcome anything.
Whenever you think its too hard read these - they give me motivation.
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Be like water making its way through cracks. Do not be assertive, but adjust to the object, and you shall find a way around or through it. If nothing within you stays rigid, outward things will disclose themselves.
Do not pray for an easy life, pray for the strength to endure a difficult one
“Be happy, but never satisfied
Adapt what is useful, reject what is useless, and add what is specifically your own.”
A wise man can learn more from a foolish question than a fool can learn from a wise answer
“If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them.”
“I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who had practiced one kick 10,000 times.”
“If you spend too much time thinking about a thing, you'll never get it done.”
“Don't fear failure. — Not failure, but low aim, is the crime. In great attempts it is glorious even to fail
More later
Nice! "Breath deeply and keep your body and mind centered. Grasshopper".
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Ellis,
Thank you, for clarifying the tracking of 1's, 2s, 3s and 4+.
I have another question - Why do we need an OR column in our scorecard?
When the SAP counts of 1's are High or 2nd Highest we have a + OR Count and visa versa when 1's are Low or 2nd Lowest we have a - OR Count. Likewise, SAP covers the OT Counts having High 2’s meaning a + O/T Count and Low 2's, or No 2’s means a - O/T Count.
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I just want to confirm the correct rule of math.
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Hi Ellis,
In the public forum: Thread: SAP/Reverse SAP - Ellis; Post #1 - you stated that "A word about "weighting" our SAP counts. (we multiply 1's by 1, 2s by 2, 3s by 4, 4s by 8 and 5+ by 8)."
Which is correct - "4's by 8" or "4+ (4 or mores) also get 4 points each"?
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I'm just not sure. You might avoid some problem shoe starts that otherwise would have hit your stop loss, but you also might miss he best part of the shoe. SAP is a great tool, but remember it is nothing more than a count of the event patterns and doesn't tell you much more that what you can already see in the shoe. But I hear what you are saying -- if you knew for example that 3s would be MC, it would be a good shoe to skip playing (or at least not use U2Hi).
I wonder if there is something that can be done with the progressions, or when to bet the high vs. low side, which would improve the performance in the so called "garbage" sections, without taking too much away from the very strong performance U2Hi delivers in the long ZZs and straight runs.
How about when you see Two (2) Repeats in a Row. Start betting OTB4L or TB4L, until 2 loses. Then, resume 2 Hi Net Betting?
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Those shoes would be a good refresher on NOR+, but what we need are some 4D shoes played by Ellis on the new 4D scorecard. That would be most helpful and seeing the play by plays would answer many questions for those wanting to learn 4D. Posting shoes is not hard and I would be glad as would many others if Ellis needs help putting them up.
Although I'm playing a different method, I've read the 4D info and find it very sound conceptually. These example shoes would help me answer my main question. Can this method with all it's required tracking and card notations and logging of info possibly be played at casino speed?
I've always learned more by studying posted example shoes than any other method. It would also avoid Ellis continuously having to answer repeated questions. Everyone could study the examples and learn at a much faster rate.
PJ
May I ask what method you are using?
FrontAl
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Those shoes would be a good refresher on NOR+, but what we need are some 4D shoes played by Ellis on the new 4D scorecard. That would be most helpful and seeing the play by plays would answer many questions for those wanting to learn 4D. Posting shoes is not hard and I would be glad as would many others if Ellis needs help putting them up.
Although I'm playing a different method, I've read the 4D info and find it very sound conceptually. These example shoes would help me answer my main question. Can this method with all it's required tracking and card notations and logging of info possibly be played at casino speed?
I've always learned more by studying posted example shoes than any other method. It would also avoid Ellis continuously having to answer repeated questions. Everyone could study the examples and learn at a much faster rate.
PJ
May I ask what method you are using?
FrontAl
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Those shoes would be a good refresher on NOR+, but what we need are some 4D shoes played by Ellis on the new 4D scorecard. That would be most helpful and seeing the play by plays would answer many questions for those wanting to learn 4D. Posting shoes is not hard and I would be glad as would many others if Ellis needs help putting them up.
Although I'm playing a different method, I've read the 4D info and find it very sound conceptually. These example shoes would help me answer my main question. Can this method with all it's required tracking and card notations and logging of info possibly be played at casino speed?
I've always learned more by studying posted example shoes than any other method. It would also avoid Ellis continuously having to answer repeated questions. Everyone could study the examples and learn at a much faster rate.
PJ
PapaJoe,
May I ask what method you are using?
FrontAl
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Ztomsk
I really like the up and pull regression method using 2123 etc....allows you to lock in some profits....not to shabby when going for 6 per shoe
I like the up and pull regression method using 1-2-2, start over with 1 after completing series or after any loss.
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Hi FrontAl and everyone- just curious does anyone know using a 3 step up as you win progression 1-2-2 , what do we do if we win the 1 and loss the first 2? Thanks, I'm just curious how to best use this.
Start over at 1. The 1-2-2 progression loses after five attempts before completing the series.
If your hit rate is greater than 5 attempts, then you need to re-evaluate your bet decisions.
After winning and completing the 3-step series you're up 5 units, minus all of your 1 loses.
Note: After playing this weekend at the Tampa Hard Rock I changed from PLAYER and BANKER NOT being independent of each other using the 3-step series. It did not work. Also, I reverted back to OT as explained by Ellis in his OT posts.
Sorry, my Idea did not show good results even though the online casinos show good results. However, I still like the 3-step series (1-2-2) up as you win.
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Ellis or Anyone.....
Any Ultimate Net Betting rules using the 2 Hi Progression as yet ?
Could it be the ultimate method of all time !
Thank You .
Ultimate Net Betting does win a lot of shoes. This weekend I'll be at the Tampa Hard Rock and I am going to use an up as you win 3-step, 2 Hi Progression 1-2-2 on repeats only and 1-2 on chops.
This progression only loses after five attempts on repeats before completing the series.
After winning and completing the 3-step series you're up 5 units. Then, you start the series over again.
If you win the first 1-2 units and lose the third 2-unit bet you gained 1-unit. You then, start over again.
Keep in mind you follow the Ultimate Net Betting rules with one major change, (ANYTIME YOU LOSE (1 BET) to a CHOP And an (OT) PATTERN APPEARS TWICE. THEN, BET (OT) UNTIL IT LOSES (2 BETS) using the 3-step series, OTHERWISE BET REPEATS.
NOTE: PLAYER and BANKER will be independent of each other using the 3-step series.
I have been using this method with online casinos having great success averaging 10+ units but, not in a brick and mortar casino.
I feel confident this method will work and report on results.
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SAME TO ALL and WISH EVERYONE A BETTER FINANCIAL 2015!
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Ellis, do you think a 345 progression is a good idea for MDB+? The way I see MDB+, it is not a series of individual bets, but rather a singular bet on a particular event outcome (i.e. there won't be five 3s without a 2). That singular bet could have three "installments", but the idea is that if you are right on the beting proposition, you win. With a 345 you can be "right" and still lose 2 units. The third bet has the highest win rate, yuet every time we win it we lose 2 units? Also, when the goal is only 5 units per shoe, betting 3 units as the base seems a little aggressive and unnecessary.
Then your next bet will be 3 units. Many instances the first bet wins more often, when you win your 1st bet of 3 units your up 1 unit not down 2 units. You now RECOVERED from a losing series. Betting 3-4-5 brings your wins to escalate much higher when wining 50%+.
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I fully concur...
I also fully realise that not everyone is in the same situation...but for me...$200 for several hours of teaching directly from the "Best there has ever been" is cheap as chips (no pun intended)
Let's get this in perspective...I paid $50/hour for several years to get my daughter tutored...I pay $80/hour to get my grass slashed...my damn plumber charges $80 call out fee before he gets out of his van and then $80/hour (we won't talk about travelling time GRRR) ... my solicitor charges $180/hour to keep me out of gaol (for most likely me murdering my plumber)...my accountant (who never leaves his house) $120/hour (and I still cop direct calls from the Tax Department)...and even a damn painter wants to charge me $70/hour to paint my house (approx 8 weeks work when he bothers to turn up)
So...what's it gonna cost us for the benefit of several hours of Ellis's time?...effectively $20 - $40/hour...GO FIGURE!
If you don't believe it will benefit you personally to utilise this teaching tool, then that's fair enough (I am sort of in that boat...but I can't be sure and for the sake of the price of a half decent meal in a restaurant, I am not prepared to risk missing out on what might be a vital piece of missing information to further improve my play)
But if it's the cost alone....then seriously...you should scrap any thoughts of playing Baccarat as a professional and consider playing Bingo at your local church hall
Just my 2 cents worth
Oz
That is cheap my damn plumber charges $140 call out fee. What's worse is my electrician @160/hr.
$200 for several hours of teaching from Ellis is reasonable. The return on investment is well worth it.
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Hi Team,
After all of the great intel we surfaced in the 5dimes.com shoe thread. I was hoping we could try it at other Casinos across that we have experience. I've played all of the Bac tables at Foxwoods over the last year or 2. However, most of my best play was in the Asian Newport Bac room.
For those playing already there, I was hoping we could share some intel on the best ways to beat their shoes:
1) I've noticed they used pre-shuffled cards (1 big white box of many decks)
2) Only$100 min tables have a tote board
3) All games are touch games
4) I've played both the 50 and 100 dollar tables, using NOR scorecard with mix results.
What is best way to play these at Newport room at Foxwoods? MBD, MDB+, NOR, other, combo play of NB and MDB+???
Hi Bigcash,
I use to play there when I lived in Boston, almost every weekend, the people are friendly. I started playing BJ then, switch to baccarat.
I would stay with NB and MDB+ touch games. Start out slowly until your sweet spot starts jumping out and feel confident on your method of play.
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Have to think some more about this Skip U1D2M2 approach. Probably need to see how it does in other circumstances. In this ONE shoe, it shows it does OK when there are lots of 2s and 3s with some sporadic 1s. But OTBL is a much better choice for a shoe rich in those events. OTBL wins 20 units in that partial shoe while making just one 4 unit bet (net betting makes three 4 unit bets). Also, how does this net betting approach work with the common TTs? I'm thinking not too good -- lots of consecutive loosing bets. This shoe starts 223 which just screams OTBL. If I see that at the start of the shoe, my mind wouldn't even consider some kind of net betting approach hoping for low disparity -- I'm looking instead to capitalize on the EVENTS. Maybe it's just me?
I agree OTB4L would kill this shoe. Net betting is simple but, risky if you get carried away playing this.
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I absolutely agree, you must feel the shoe.
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Kevin,
I agree discipline is crucial both in money management and playing strategy. I found that net betting 3hi works in some casinos but, not always. Where as S40M2 will work using 2hi has more consistency, for my style of playing. Don't jump in the game until you watch, then decide using paper play first on which method works the best. With a $2,000 buy-in you can easily start off betting $100, as you win move up to $200 etc. Note: keep focus forget about casino distractions.
Al
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Hey Kevin,
Sorry, you lost your job and your dog, and the BFF burned the house down...but how can the truck be running if its on empty?
Instead of S40M3, net betting 1-2-3 either P/B, OR, OT shows a higher PA with less stress. You can go to 1-2-3-4 but I wouldn't go any further. If there is a lost wait until the OTR is over but here is the catch resume your net bets where you left off using U1D2.
What do you think? Al...
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Yes BUT:
First: the rules, as complex as they already are, need to be concise enough for the average player to follow.
Second:
S40 likes 1's MOST and 2s second most
OTB4L likes 2s MOST and 3s second most
S40M1 likes 1s most and 4+s 2nd most.
I think we've got to go with "most".
I've never been able to get players to even grasp what event each system likes most, let alone 2nd most and let alone what they DON't Like.
Players like a crutch like the OR count.
In MDB their crutch is an SAP count.
In my experience players will have their hands full remembering which system goes with which high count
let alone the highest two counts.
I think if we try to match the highest 2 counts to the correct system most will simply give up and blame the Designer.
I already stated which system goes with the highest two counts. That effort will be totally lost on most players.
However it will be VERY meaningfull to our best players.
Some players will have their hands full averaging +5. Hence the MDB schedule is based on +5.
I expect our best players to average at least +7 mostly through tricks of the trade. They can go through the million dollar schedule much faster.
Our best players will conform the hard rules to their own liking.
Our best players "SEE" the overall MDB strategy.
Our average player just follows rules with little understanding of why the rules are as they are.
I realize how pessimistic this sounds. But I also know that the "players" who criticize me on other forums are the very SAME guys who can't follow even the most basic of rules - the same players who cannot grasp overall concepts. Somehow they blame me rather than themselves. These guys also believe that all winners are liars. When they watch me win they claim I cheated. The same guys who want something for nothing.
I agree Ellis, most of the questions are redundant and if they just read each and every post's giving by you exclusively, their questions will have already been answered.
The question really is comprehension. I do understand IQ's vary and maybe some of our members need to take notes.
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"Right. I'm just not 100% sure that all were from that one Vegas trip because Norm was also playing the Gulf coast and Florida.
By the way, I ran into Norm 3 or 4 days into that Vegas trip. He dropped in on our Seminar. At that point he was $170,000 up for the trip! Norm paved the way for all of us."
That is amazing Norm only played 2Hi.
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Started using it on Sat. 05/17/2014 between 2:30 pm to 6:00 PM at the Tampa Hard Rock Casino playing conservatively 1-2-3-0-2-3-4, after 2 shoes I realized the progression never went passed 0.
Up as you win 221 Baccarat for pro players
in BeatTheCasino.com Q and A Baccarat and Blackjack
Posted · Edited by FrontAl
Should have been reply with quote
Originally Posted by brad01
Re: Up as you win 221 Baccarat for pro players
Hi Keith I tried this with based on Midas Touch system which is similar reverse labouchere cancellation system.
But what happened is that on a bad run the bets increase.
Depends how your wins come in - if its wwLwwL then its fine or even LLLLwww its ok but this method relies on consecutive wins like a parlay to cross off faster than you accumulate
If its wLwLwL then all you do is increase uncrossed sums and cross off smaller values
At least flat bet you break even and negative progression you win
Not saying its not viable and cant work just based on what I experienced
The thing with this system is most people think they can cancel out everything eventually and its like a HG or something so they keep betting and their bet selection goes down and their bet size goes up.
Once again flat bet you never stray from the plan because you cant so I find it the absolute safest way but a 1,2 I could live with.
But I'm open to ideas
One thing I did hear of was a guy who made a living from 111224488
Aim to win one unit
first bet you bet 1
then if lose go to a double win
If lose go to parlay
then onto the 2 for a double win
if lose go to 2 for a parlay
and so on
at any step you only need 2 wins to come out +1
Eg lose all the 1's and then get a double win on the 2 = +4
Or lose the first 2 and then get a parlay = +6
If lose the series start again
With a good bet selection you could get a double win within the series quite a lot more than losing and maybe even win more than you lose
But 8 unit higher than base bet - aaargh!
It's called the 31 system.