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Hi Kevin Thanks for the advice These are the small but important details that I am looking for Excellent feedback, thanks again regards Paul

Hi Ellis As requested here are some shoes from Baccarat touch games from New Zealand I have not identified the triggers as I am still playing the original MDB+ rules (with 6 bets), and I do not want to confuse anyone. Shoe: A B111324431 P111211131125 P131143512 B4151 Shoe: B B2221113133 B32422311 B664212 B154 Shoe: C P133421123 B11114121133 P3113213141 P1114 Shoe: D B7142132 P122122122131 P1131131151111 B11211 Shoe: E B1111513413 B11111614121 P1311133221 P2111333 Shoe: F B4211211242 B311313211121 B111113311111112 P15411 Shoe: G B122115121113 B12111522141 P11221212321 B41222 I am interested to know what you think of these Shoe D has multiple 2's predominant regards Paul

Hi Ellis, I think you have wondered whether MDB+ (betting against 5 in a row) would work on anything but pre-shuffled cards. On Sunday I played 146 hands (roughly 2 shoes) on a Continuous Shuffle Machine. Just to make sure we all understand what I mean, its the one where the cards from each hand go immediately back into the deck after each hand is played. The table plays with 8 decks, but I do not know whether the cards were prepared in any way before they went in the machine. They were neither shuffled or washed by the dealer. I entered the game at the start of the day when the table opened. Here is the outcome, broken down into 20's where possible B121711412 P21321191 P1211112211322 B12112211164 P1112122(11) P12241522 P413171111 B211 Note the (11) is eleven in a row To me the game seems to change character after about after the 9 in a row. Whether that's normal or due to the continuous shuffle I am not sure. Anyway that's the way the cards fell. I would be interested in your comments as I will go back another day when the table opens to see if the game has a similar character regards Paul (New Zealand)

Hi Tigerwho83, I am a fairly recent member to the MDB forum having been a NOR Member for some months. The forum is essential to understanding the MDB plays, it cant be learned from the manual alone. Ellis, Keith and Steve are pro-active professional who pass on their huge knowledge base to members, and quickly answer any queries members have. In my view its money very, very well spent - my success in MDB+ shows this already Its a no brainer that you should join Paul (New Zealand)

Hi Ellis Thanks for your extensive reply, yes I am referring to MDB+ in my email. New Zealand has 5 casino's, the one in Auckland was set up by Harrah's originally. All of the casino's are quite small compared to Singapore and Macau where I have also played. Haven't made it to Vegas yet. The bac tables here have different card preparation depending on the table minimum. The $10 minimum tables use a continuous shuffle machine, and the cards are changed occasionally due to wear, about twice a day I am told. The player does not touch the cards at these tables. It is an 8 deck shoe. The $25 tables are pre-shuffled cards, with 2 x eight decks in use alternately. One deck is shuffled by the machine while the other is in use, common procedure everywhere I think. Again the player does not touch the cards. The $50 and $100 tables are the same as the $25 tables but the players do touch the cards. This only prolongs the game but some players prefer this way to play. These cards are disposed of after each shoe and a new 8 deck pre-shuffled shoe is used. My records are based on the $25 tables, so they are pre-shuffled and then shuffled again after each shoe. I have observed (but not recorded) that similar results seem to apply to the $10 tables which gives me even more cause for optimism for MDB+. I have no data from $50 tables. Having read your reply I will stick with the 1,2,4 progression on the $25 tables best regards Paul

Hi Ellis, I have gone back through all my baccarat cards and find that by playing MDB, betting against 5 in a row, the win rate is extremely high. On my cards it wins more than 90% within the 3 bet progression. Moreover, the 2's perform best, and obviously more frequently occur. I wonder therefore is there anything to be gained by flat betting rather than your recommended 1/2/4 progression. Or perhaps a different progression for the 2's, 3's and 4's. Just thinking out loud and am interested in your feedback. regards Paul (New Zealand)

Hi Ellis, Keith, Steve I recently purchased MDB (including NOR) and it is shaping up as the best money I have ever spent. My first forays into the casino resulted in +55 units in 6 visits, the shoes easily favoured System 40. I am now at Level 2 in my pursuit of the Million dollars. Last weekend the shoes I encountered were different, many more 3's, 4's and worse rather than 1's and 2's as I had seen before. I post this shoe hoping for some feedback as to how best to play it. P152111311141811312123311 At the time I was not so sure so I just recorded the data and left, keeping my 55 units intact. My feeling is TB4L would be the best but I am not sure Hoping that one of you guys can help out regards Paul (in New Zealand)

Hi Ellis This works a treat I played online Baccarat at Dublin Bet which has a real live dealer, but I was only in practice mode I went to +11 units very quickly. Thanks from a newbie Paul (New Zealand)