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Please keep in mind that I have been playing the same way since December of last year. I made updates to it twice. All the others were just little tweeks here and there. Once I think In March or April, and the other I think in June/July? Since then, that is the only way I have been playing, and it has been the most consistent thing I have ever seen. Is it the best? I don't know. for me, it has proven itself over and over again as the most simple practical way to win. Others players right here still only play with as their primary method of play.

Again, I'm bias. I think Maverick is. Its only two systems. Each has only 2 rules each. Each only loses to 1 thing each. Each loves what the other one hates. Maverick Ultimate is even easier. But as you can see, it can't get much simpler than that. Even if you played it 100% mechanical as people have done in the Maverick Mechanical thread, I believe the percentage was in the mid-70's. Now of course there are little tweeks you can do here and there that make it a whole lot better which can be found in the updated Maverick and Maverick Ultimate. However, the foundation is so strong that it has and still is working to this day. It's hard to go wrong when your foundation is that solid.

Hello, I haven't really posted here in a long time because I have since decided to just stick to Maverick and Maverick Ultimate the way I designed it and prefer to play. This does not mean its better, or worse, just simply my preference. I personally do not play System 40 exclusively, nor do I believe it is done flat betting. Having said that, you are in a good place. System 40 Advanced is now being touted here as the only baccarat system you will need. It is made up of 3 modes. RD-1, F2, and System 40. All of which can be found in the private section. Maverick is simply RD-Hybrid and F2, with exploit options and different triggers. The old version and incomplete version can still be found here. Maverick Ultimate is entirely different but that is what I mostly play now. The updated Maverick and Maverick Ultimate versions cannot be found here but on a seperate forum. Out of respect for Ellis, Keith and this forum, I don't think it would be appropriate to just post that stuff, but I'm sure you will discover it is easy to find. I of course am biased and you should take what I say with a grain of salt. Since I developed Maverick using what I learned right here and have played it with consistent success for awhile now along with a bunch of other players as you have read. Then I came across Maverick Ultimate which is nothing like what you see here, but was developed with the same concept as Maverick regular. Since Maverick is what I exclusively play, my opinion is way too biased. You can however ask people who play it still. One member here that plays its almost exclusively is MVS. Feel free to ask him and he will tell you the truth. He also plays Sys 40 when it is appropriate and he does well with that too! I personally find that Maverick/Maverick Ultimate (the updated versions) is still the most simple, fluid, flexible, and forgiving approach to winning at baccarat. Everytime I teach it to someone new, they all only have positive things to say about it. This is a great place where someone will find a wealth of knowledge. It is kind of like college for baccarat where you will find there is a lot to learn. How YOU CHOOSE to APPLY it however, will determine your sucees when you play in real life. In my humble opion, a lot of knowlege is great, but only practical, applied knowledge puts money in your pocket. I started Maverick as the most practical way to achieve that. There are over 20+ systems here, and you have walked in at a great time in my opinion, where there is focus on one approach instead of all these other systems being thrown out there. If you are to learn anything from here, I would suggest Sys 40 Advanced, as from what I have read it would be the closest thing to Maverick thus far. Maverick which I developed is a blend of RD-Hybrid and F2 which I started doing many months ago with great sucess. Anti-RdH was used to handle the choppy parts. Maverick also has Exploit Options built in as you can still read on the old Maverick Manual which takes into account table bias. You can also play only with the Maverick Exploit options strictly using table selection when you walk into the casino. That is if you have that option for multiple table selections. If not, you have to park your but and sit dopwn and wait to see if/when a bias is available for you to take advantage of. Maverick will sniff out that bias as the shoe develops. Sys 40 advanced uses the original System 40, and now they have added the original RD-1 and F2. I think its a great idea. See, I'm not the brightest guy in the world. No 140+ IQ, No Phd in math or statistics. I'm not even an engineer. I do however have a knack for taking something complicated, "dumbing it down" so to speak, and developing something practical that can be applied to most every situation so that the average person with very little knowledge of baccarat can take to the casino and win with. That is how Maverick came to be. System 40 advanced is what you need to study if you had one thing to focus on. I believe the testing is still in progress with other members and real money. Good luck and take care! Maverick - Mark

What a Maverick Day! Two sessions. One before the concert, and one after. Maverick Ultimate this time since I was playing in High Limit with the celebrities. Rascal Flatts concert was awesome. Great seats, in the center, 11th row. Later in High Limit. I was the smallest better on the table, but it was fun! Michael Jordan - he is up $650,000! He can play up to $50k per hand! Charles Barkley - He was down $250,000 but making a come back. Average bet is $5k - 10K Dan Quayle was here. Too funny! That tall baldguy from the TV show 'Office" was here, Mike Shannahan, John Elway, Ray Allen from the Boston Celtics, Snoop Dog, Ice Cube, and Ray Romano. He was playng craps, and cracking everybody up. At the end it was a good day. Made $4,000 playing my Maverick. Want to know more? MaverickUltimateMark@gmail.com Now its off for a good nights sleep, and thinking of trying Red Hawk when I wake up. Have a great Sunday y'all! "Maverick" MaverickUltimateMark@gmail.com

Another shoe with Maverick played just 3Hi. +10 Net I should have played the regular U1D2M2. Sometimes a too conservative progression hurts you rather than helps you. Dag nabbit... I should have played Maverick Ultimate, I would have made even more. I just wanted to see if it was possible for Maverick to win 3 shoes in-a-row using a really conservative progresseion. Yup, it sure was. I made $1,000 in 2 hours, got a free dinner, free room, free tickets to concert, free access to the golf tournanment, got to see and play along with Michael Jordan, Charles Barkley, Ray Allen and some other guys who are here for the Pro-Am celebrity golf tournament here in Lake Tahoe. By the way, last time I saw, Jordan was up over $150k in blackjack and Barkley was down $250k. But they are also super nice. Want to know more? MaverickUltimateMark@gmail.com Partial Excerpts of comments from people I have taught my Maverick approach to... If you're still looking for something consistent and reliable that works, here is just a couple of comments from other players who have learned my Maverick approach. Maverick has proven to be the most consistent winner of any type of shoe at any type of casino, either online or at a live casino. It is totally fluid, flexible and forgiving so that you can play it as conservatively or as aggressively as you wish. If you prefer to contact me privately, email me at MaverickUltimateMark@gmail.com I am just a regular member that thought it would be nice to offer what I've learned so that others could make some decent extra ca$h to make life just a little bit easier. Here's a sample of what people are saying.... (He stops when he hits +10) (this guy easily would have averaged +20 per shoe if he played through. He also chooses to stop when he hits his goal of +10)

Okay Master Ellis - looking forward to it. Ellis has just said that he is working on a New Final Manual. So, personally I will wait for that to come out before I try any attempt to play that way. In the mean time, I will continue to play my Maverick and Maverick Ultimate which are both consistently pumping out on average +20 units for me. MaverickUltimateMark@gmail.com

Ellis, I’m sorry if you feel I’m busting on you, and we are all sorry that you have these medical issues with you and your last two family members who are deathly ill. Maybe I over-reacted to your posts on the “Bet-Phoenix-Cutting it short” as well as the “Maverick” thread because I interpreted them as you saying instead of Maverick, we should go back to switching between multiple systems, and the way you wrote it, I sure felt that it seemed as you were busting on me. So I felt after all I have done to support you and your forum, posting to help you get more members to increase your bank account, not mine, to have you bust on me was pretty hurtful. Actually to now hear about PapaJo’s, private forum right here on your site, it makes me wonder how that would make other members here feel, who are paying and struggling? I know I was never invited to this forum. If I am mistaken, I am man enough to admit it, and I apologize right here and now. I AM SORRY. If you could do me the favor of trying to see it from my and many members stand point for just a quick second. I for one have struggled with winning consistently here until I developed Maverick. I’ve gotten similar feedback from many here. From a new member stand point, look at what happens: You sign up with your hard earned money because of something you saw on the free portion of the forum, or from promotion on the ‘Baccarat Forum’. You are probably even skeptical at first, but you are hoping that it all works out. Then when you sign up you are pretty much left on your own to try and learn how to play. (Because you are busy as is understandable. We all get busy.) Everyone almost always gets directed to OTBL first. But then as you look around the forum, no one is playing it and there is no active thread going on. In fact you can't tell what anyone is consistently playing and winning with. All the recent activity seems to be on whatever ‘new system’ is going on at the time thread. So of course you don’t want to be left out, so you try to jump on that thread and learn that system as fast as you can. Then you try your darnest to make that work, and it goes on for awhile and it doesn’t seem to be working. You are waiting for input from Ellis, the leader of the place who you have already placed great trust, admiration, and given credit to, and the status is he is still working on things. In the meantime you start to look at other things around the forum to play and win with. All of a sudden, a new thread pops up, or the leader you were counting on, the reason you joined the forum in the first place, appears with a new system that seems like “We’ve got a tiger by the tail here.” The new system pops up or it’s a revision of an older one. A flurry of excitement and activity starts again. Someone has a good shoe with it. It gets really active again, and the cycle starts all over again. You still find yourself back to not knowing what to play, how to play it and what to do as you are still not winning. A month goes by, then two, then three. Before you know it, it’s been six months and there still is no consensus on the forum on how to play. The leader that you are counting is not around that often but you see him promoting his business on other forums. You wonder why he is not spending more time on his own place, trying to bring everything and everyone together playing the same way and winning? Now in your defense, let’s face it you obviously don't have the time to spend with all the new members that sign up here, you have family problems and are needed elsewhere as you said, plus you have to spend time on ‘Baccarat Forum’ marketing and defending yourself. In addition, it makes good business sense that the more time you spend selling yourself elsewhere, the more people join your forum, and the more money you make. No one can blame you for that. But try to remember that there are people who are counting on you. New members and old members alike who are still struggling to find a way on here to consistently play and win. So now everyone is frustrated, and it’s been brewing especially with the old members for a while now judging by all the e-mails I have been getting. Maybe this is why PapaJoe said he started that private forum with Wolfat and Norm so that they wouldn’t be bothered by newbie questions and they could brain storm ways for a uniformed way to play and win easily, as maybe they are all playing differently themselves. In my opinion, from a business and marketing standpoint anyway, the best defense is to have a good offense, and the best offense is to have a good defense. If you were to have a bunch of people consistently winning with the same way you play, they will do ALL the marketing and defending for you. If you could just stick to teaching the same method or style of playing, so that the average person can play with and win consistently, take a look at what would happen: 1- Your marketing would take care of itself. Your mass of winning members would take over. Look at how Maverick got to Baccarat Forums in the first place. I never promoted it there. That place is a waste of energy. 2- You wouldn’t have to constantly defend yourself on other forums. Again your mass of winning members would totally pummel garnabby and archer. The best defense is to have others defending you. It is more credible. When the other people on BacForums see how many people come to you defense who are winning, watch membership rise. 3- Your old members would return with a vengeance. Especially once they start winning consistently. Then look at what would happen when they step in the casino. Other players would ask where the learned and you would get referrals. 4- Teaching new members that you get to join, would be easy because you would be teaching the same methods, and you would have a whole bunch of followers who are able to help because its all the same. The quandary here as it has always been, that it has not been made clear to members new and old alike what system out of your 20+ should we play, or how you prefer us to play so that we can win consistently. Now today you have just stated: I take this to mean that you believe that the only way to play is to continually match the system to the shoe in front of you, and then constantly switch based on the SAP chart. All anyone wants here is accountability because the fact of the mater is we are all counting on you. In the past when it was said that this manual or that manual was forthcoming to fix this or that, unfortunately due to Murphy’s law or whatever, shit happens right? Can’t help it. But remember there are new members and old members alike who are still waiting, counting on, and in fact depending on you to follow through. I am one of them. That’s why they keep paying, or have not asked for a refund yet. But after awhile, you start to feel let down… can you feel me here? At least now you have made it perfectly clear where you are coming from, what we can expect from you and your style of teaching. That is good. At least we all know now, and it’s made upfront to everyone, so they come in with eyes wide open. I believe this is what you are saying but I don’t want to put words in your mouth. Again, if I am wrong, I apologize. Even though in your own words this way or philosophy is complicated, as per your quote responding to remembering all the options playing multiple systems: You still feel that “I’m totally convinced that it is the best way Baccarat can be played from the standpoints of winnings, consistency, risk and simplicity of play.” What you want us to realize is: If that is the case and its complicated, so be it. That is the nature of the beast. It would be futile to fight it so we shouldn’t. We must learn it this way to win, so the bottom line is learn it. So as the most solid base foundation to play baccarat per Ellis, here it is: ELLIS'S PHILOSOPHY AND METHODS. YOU MUST LEARN THIS FLUENTLY AT A BARE MINIMUM SAP- charting of events OTB4L TB4L System 40 Not sure if you want everyone needs to also learn the below: O/T count? C/S count? NET Betting? F2? AD/OT? RULES Game start - Wait for 4 events to decide which of the above systems to play, unless you see a 4 in a row, then bet the run will continue. Swtiching- the all impotant process. As I understand it…. After EVERY play (not event or loss) consult your SAP-chart to see if you should bet opposite or repeat based on if that very play creates a situation where: IF 1's and 2's are > than 3's and 4's, THEN Switch and play Sys 40 for that next play only. IF 1's and 4's are > than 2's and 3's, THEN Switch and play TB4L for that next play only. IF 1's and 3's are > than 2's and 4's, THEN Switch and play TB4L or Sys 40 for that next play only. IF 2's and 3's are > than 1's and 4's, THEN Switch and play OTB4L for that next play only. IF 2's and 4's are > than 1's and 3's, THEN Switch and play OTB4L for that next play only. IF 3's and 4's are > than 1's and 2's, THEN Switch and play Repeats for that next play only. IF all events are = or tied, then OTB4L or Net Bet After every play repeat process checking the SAP-chart for frequency of events. Once you see a 4 in a row, you need to decide if you are to stay on the run betting it will go to 5+ or betting it will stop at 4, based on what happened in the past events. If this is close, is this where one would start?

Not too much fun is it when you get criticized? How do I say this without sounding like an ass-hole? I don't think there is a way, so I'll just be blunt and truthful as always. ACCOUNTABILITY. Thats all anyone here ever wanted. For you to be accountable for what was promised. For you to actually follow through when you say you will do something. Not a half-ass job that keeps everyone waiting. You said you would give it a shot. Thus far, the posts I have seen only asks the your other paying customers to help you, or do the work for you. You have like what, 20+ different systems on here, yet there isn't even a consensus of what to play, or how to play for that matter, by the oldest of members on here. What does that say? Yes Andrea maybe was the best at SAP, but he is not even playing it anymore. Nor is he playing NU-SAP which requires one to Master multiple systems, yet he knows them all. Papa Joe know all of them as well but he is off doing is own thing, claims to be making +10 per shoe in his 'private forum', yet he hasn't shared anything with the rest of the forum, and you haven't threatened him with a law suit. I'm sure the other members are wondering why both of them hardly post anymore here. Maybe they are all part of PapaJoe's 'private-forum'. Thats fine. Nothing wrong with that. But what about the rest of the members who have already PAID YOU and those who are STILL PAYING YOU? Accountability. I went and posted the "How to Win" thread on YOUR free forum, to help YOU get more members that PAY YOU. They joined, PAID YOU, because of what I said I would do for them. I have have followed through and did what I said I would do. I remained accountable for following through and I did, without much support from you I might add. All anyone here is asking is that you do the same. I hope we all won't be disappointed. Accountability.

wow, amazing. I don't know how you do that? I thought you were still playing NU-SAP? Are you mostly in OTB4L mode? and or incorporating SAP on quite a few of the plays, because with the AD part isn't it just so random isn't it? I mean there is no identifiable winning or losing situation/pattern correct? Every time I played it, or anyone like the average person play, the results were sporadic to say the least. But then again, I also know that you are definitely not just the average player. You are one of the best in the world

From: E. Clifton Davis That is all VERY EXCELLENT advice Mark. But how many can remember all that during the heat of casino play? I'm thinking we can use a SAP chart to simplify and automate a lot of that. One other thing, you mentioned that if all your SAP numbers tie, don't bet. That was a good idea when playing SAP but here is something I've noticed. In a dead neutral shoe, OTB4L is quite strong. Remember? I called that "overlap". I think Ellis finallly sees how it hard it would be. He is so smart that, doing all of that is so easy for him, that I figure its hard for him to relate to how difficult it would be for us. My response was: Aha ~ exactly my point. You hit the nail on the head. How can anyone learn 4-5 different systems, and SAP and then on top of that try to incorporate that into live play? That is exactly why I listed the Exploit Options in Maverick is for advanced members only. There is no way a new person could start playing that way. However, a new person certainly CAN learn RD-Hybrid (only 2 rules) and F-2 (only 2 rules), and they only lose to one thing each. Then simply keeping an eye continously on the last 7 plays, keeping an eye out for really only 3 things to determine when to switch between the two. • What has won the majority of the last 7 plays? RD-H or F Series? • Disparity - Player/Banker and RD-H chart. (If P/B disparity is > 4 = F-series) • SAP Chart. (If 2's are > 3s = F3. If 3's > 2's = F2) I'm pretty sure I speak for everyone when I say we would love it if there was a way you could find some simple, practical way to tweek Maverick to avoid losing 4 in a row. That is why we all signed up here in the first place, was for your expertise. Maybe, (now no one rush out and do this) after a loss, perform Maverick Evaluation, (which includes the SAP chart) to determine which 'side' to resume on and which system. Ellis replied: "Right, a very good point. It is good for beginners to start with something simple like F2-3 or OTB4L. And its good to have a simplified version of Maverick for that purpose." I think he said he is going to try and see what he can do to come up with a simple, practical, duplicatable solution. I for one am anxiously waiting.

Ummm, but I don't think that there is anyone smart enough here to figure that out. I know I'm not. That is why we signed up here on the forum, so we could get the answer from you masters. Do you think you could take some time to hammer it out, as it seems you said we are so close?

Wait, but that would mean after every play, (not losses) you are saying to consult SAP chart to look at what to switch to. Not clear how you would continue to play any system as a base and then changing using the SAP chart,because it seems you will always be betting based on the chart. Maybe I'm just too slow to catch on I guess. Because if you are looking at the SAP chart after every decision (not loss) you should be swtiching systems or bets based on what just happened and how it affects or relates to the SAP chart. So its either: Option A Always bet that whatever is the Most Common will stay that way, and whatever is the Least Common will stay that way. And every play you make therafter is based on the 'running count' or 'running changes' in these Most Common and Least Common events. So for instance, if 2's at that point are most common, we need to bet that the next play will be a 2. What if the 2s are still most common, but there have been no 2's in the last two events and but we just had a two 3's in a row? Now according to what you wrote, we STILL now bet, that it will go to 2. If it does go to 2, now we bet it will jump or be an opposite because 2's are still most common. If we lose and it goes to 3, we bet opposite again and bet it will stay a 3. So basically Sys 40 or OTB4L. If we lose that so now its a 4 then we need to decide again if we should go on the run based on preveious events. Check if 4s went to 5 etc. in the past. Then if we lose, we look at the SAP chart again and play towards whatever is Most Common again, correct? OR OPTION B After every play (not loss or event) we use the SAP chart to decide what system to play instead. Then one needs to learn at least 4 systems. OTB4L, TB4L, Sys 40, Net Bet, and of course Repeats. Then thats pretty much NU-SAP isn't it? So basically your decision making process goes like this. After EVERY play (not event or loss) look at your SAP-chart. If that very play creates a situation where: • IF 1's and 2's are > than 3's and 4's, THEN Switch and play Sys 40 for that next play only. • IF 1's and 4's are > than 2's and 3's, THEN Switch and play TB4L for that next play only. • IF 1's and 3's are > than 2's and 4's, THEN Switch and play TB4L or Sys 40 for that next play only. • IF 2's and 3's are > than 1's and 4's, THEN Switch and play OTB4L for that next play only. • IF 2's and 4's are > than 1's and 3's, THEN Switch and play OTB4L for that next play only.. • IF 3's and 4's are > than 1's and 2's, THEN Switch and play Repeats for that next play only. • IF all events are = or tied, then don't play until an event occurs, OR Switch and play Net Bet OR look at the last few plays to determine which system to play for that next play only. After every play repeat process. Then the only other decision you need to make is that once you see a 4 in a row, you need to decide if you are to stay on the run betting it will go to 5+ or betting it will stop at 4, based on what happened in the past events. Game start is another story since you have no SAP events to refer to. So you might as well wait for 4 events, or start betting after three plays trying to guess which system the shoe will be based on either past shoes, or table surroundings. Am I understanding you correctly? Which were you thinking? Option A or Option B? I'm wondering if anyone has tried to play this way before. Both options sound familiar.

No big daddy, Maverick has not changed. Until there is something obviously better I wouldn't change. Thats the problem everyone came into before here. Always switching to whatever new system popped up, and always adding rules to something just so it beats one particular shoe. All I'm saying is ideas are great, but we need practical approaches. I'm all ears if there is anything new or better along those lines. If there is a way to apply the SAP chart on a more practical level with Maverick, that can win consistently AND is duplicateble so it can be played by the average player, then that would be great. Otherwise, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

It has already been done. I did it. Its in your email as well as a cheat sheet, kachatz. Thanks for being a Maverick player. I'll be around to help you in your continued success. "Maverick"- Mark MaverickUltimateMark@gmail.com SkypeName: MaverickUltimateMark

Okay, great idea. That was a good example for that specific situation. But again, thats assuming now that the 3s may not be LC. What are we supposed to bet next if that is our assumption? I am not saying to always wait for for 4 losses. I think you are taking one post I made under the Maverick thread and singling it out, where I was simply trying to make Maverick more 'mechanical' for newer players. Maybe that was a mistake. The original Maverick with its Evaluation Process which I have again emphasized in that thread, has us looking back every running 7 plays looking out for any trend changes. However, this not to decide on any single bet, but more to decide what trend or bias to play towards. This as you know, does involve the SAP chart mainly to decide whether to play F2 or F3. So now in practical terms, in the real world, for the average player, how would you suggest someone play? Are you saying that we should go back to SAP and start betting that the Least Common will remain that way as well as the Most common. Then changing every time those changed? I think we would all appreciate it if you could simply put your great ideas into something that us mere mortals could play consistently. If it can be incorporated into Maverick, great, If not, thats great too. But I think all would appreciate if you could put all of your great ideas into a practical form of play. If they can be incorporated into a system, what is the most practical way to do that is duplicatable so that everyone can be playing it instead of just one or two players.