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[John12345]

Ellis,

Here is a question for you. I am under the impression that there are different types of shuffles. If this is true then do certain types of shuffles produce streaky or chop shoes? And if the ]shuffle does produce a set of conditions either streaky or choppy, the wouldn't it be to our benefit to watch the shuffle or wash process prior to sitting at the table to determine which system to start with? I'm not referring to the shuffle machines, only hand washed cards like on bet phoenix or at some of the big back tables that still use a new set of factory cards after each squeeze game.

Thanks

[Guest]

Ellis,

Here is a question for you. I am under the impression that there are different types of shuffles. If this is true then do certain types of shuffles produce streaky or chop shoes? And if the ]shuffle does produce a set of conditions either streaky or choppy, the wouldn't it be to our benefit to watch the shuffle or wash process prior to sitting at the table to determine which system to start with? I'm not referring to the shuffle machines, only hand washed cards like on bet phoenix or at some of the big back tables that still use a new set of factory cards after each squeeze game.

Thanks

Absolutely! And I STILL do this. Even though it doesn't carry as much advantage today as it did in the old days, it STILL carries a LOT of advantage.

In the old days there were only 8 BJ shuffles and ONE Bac shuffle. I knew what each of the 8 BJ shuffles produced and I knew that the ONE Bac shuffle produced streak RELIABLY. The original international Bac "fan" shuffle produced extremely consistent TB4L shoes. We saw 20 or more both straight and ZZ runs DAILY, sometimes 2 in the same shoe. The casinos relied entirely on the fact that novice players strongly tend to bet AGAINST runs. The casino Bac profits back then were running at only 3% compared to 26% today because experienced players like me simply play TB4L and killed most every shoe. The TTs were virtually unheard of.

Meanwhile, BJ profits were only running 5 and 6%. Since BJ was by far the main casino game back then (late '80s early '90s) the casinos worked on BJ presentation first.

I was an Editor for Eddy Olsen's BJ Confidential back then and we tracked the casino drop retention (profit) for every casino in AC and Vegas (which were the only casinos in the US back then). I knew the exact profits of every casino I played to the tenth of a point.

First the casinos greatly expanded their standard BJ shuffles. Multi deck taught them the value of clumping in BJ and they designed shuffles to preserve and enhance it. They were greatly rewarded for their efforts. Their BJ profits went from 5 to 15% almost overnight. Yep, TRIPLED! This KILLED card counting BTW.

Casinos aren't stupid! They said this worked so well in BJ, let's try the same thing in Bac. There went the fan shuffle! There went the 20 in a rows! There went TB4L! I had a team of PROFESSIONALS from industry tracking every single statistic every single day in Both BJ and Bac.

For instance, I knew the average BJ dealer hand was NOT 18.2 used to design Basic Strategy in every BJ book written at that time. It was, in fact 19.2. THAT fact and a whole bunch of other REAL WORLD FACTS destroyed Basic Strategy AND any chance a card counter ever had. Random cards MY ASS! Casinos aren't that stupid. Only players ARE! And some more than others.

Meanwhile per capita Bac profits went from 3% to 10% to 18% to 26% all due exclusively to advancements in casino shuffle technology. Then the machines made it even worse!

To design real world systems you MUST start with real world statistics - NOT freaking hearsay.

Well, sorry, I got a little carried away there. It was a dandy of a life! I wasn't just fighting the casinos. I was at war with the card counting scammers and the book authors. They don't live in the real world and they don't play. I DO! I wrote my own books! And mine are RIGHT!

Anyway, I mentioned you can still get advantage esp. from watching the morning card prep. Yet I am still the only one ever there. But what in hell am I looking for???

CHANGE!

I already know what that casino's card prep produces. It is usually OTB4L. But casinos are smart. Even though OTB4L is the most favorable cards for the casino, They aren't going to leave it at OTB4L forever. Too many guys like me around. But if I see no change, I'm going with OTB4L right from play 1. And I'm usually right! Everyone else is still in bed.

Now, this brings up a very interesting tip. One of the new Bac games today is new cards every shoe, 8 deck midi Bac. Here you have a single dealer who washes the new cards every shoe TWO boxed card order decks at a time. This is unlike Big Bac where all 8 decks are washed together. The 2 deck wash is far more effective. Think about it. It produces a much better dispersion of the entire 8 deck shoe. It produces Neutral cards very reliably. This is usually BEST for the casino. They usually kill with this game. But not if Keith or I are around - and now, YOU! Our OTB4L system KILLS that game. Now, every time Keith and I walk into Hollywood they close that table as soon as they see us. They know better than to let us play that table! We NEVER found it open again - not to US. EVERYBODY there knows us.

This should explain to you why I see RED anytime someone tries to tell me that the cards are random. IDIOTS! I'm surrounded by idiots. They don't know - they weren't there. I WAS! EVERY DAY!

Edited June 3, 2011 by Guest

[orthopak]

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[Guest]

Orthopak, your test posts are coming through loud and clear. I replied to you under your new thread "New here with questions."

[orthopak]

E. Cliffton,

Yea, Keith was doing some test posts trying to figure out why my posts keep going into moderation. Its weird.