Interest in getting nor

[zeckam]

I m keen to get the nor system. Can you advise on the price if i only need the download copy of nor system? How soon can get a downloaded copy?

Thanka

[Keith Smith]

Hi NOR is 600 for the manual. The support forums are included with the manual purchase free

[Keith Smith]

You can download immediately after buying

[zeckam]

what is included in the nor manual? S40 system, F2 system etc.

[Guest]

what is included in the nor manual? S40 system, F2 system etc.

It is a very complete manual including all rules for S40 M2 and 3, F2 and F3, OTB4L M2 and 3 as well as complete instruction on when and why to play which system and which mode as well as how to bet plus other tricks of the trade. Most, whether beginner or pro, say it is the best Baccarat Manual ever written. 30 years of experience went into it. Just hit an order buttom and it will tell you all your pricing options W/O committing you to anything.

[Guest]

Hi NOR is 600 for the manual. The support forums are included with the manual purchase free

While the manual is very complete, all NOR players have found the support forum extremely helpful. It is extremely friendly and there is no such thing as a dumb question. Plus it is an excellent source to make like minded friends and find experienced playing partners.

BTW we are very used to and accommodating to non native English speaking members and we have many of them. No matter what your native tongue we have members that speak your language fluently and like to help out.

NOR is the best way to play ever conceived. Many make back their whole tuition on their first outing.

Edited June 22, 2012 by Guest

[Guest]

We also teach other methods like NB, especially designed for preshuffled cards that your purchase will give you access to. Yes, it is good for that application but most eventually concede that NOR is best all around.

[cyber303]

The nor system is a must have...believe or not, alot of people make some correct bets without knowing that he or she is on the right side. Why not bet it with confidence?? That's what the nor will do for you! With the nor betting progression, helps with money management, it's pretty hard to lose your bank roll. I truly believe that any bac players who doesn't get this manual is foolish. Even if they think that they are good players as is this will make them a better player.

[Guest]

The nor system is a must have...believe or not, alot of people make some correct bets without knowing that he or she is on the right side. Why not bet it with confidence?? That's what the nor will do for you! With the nor betting progression, helps with money management, it's pretty hard to lose your bank roll. I truly believe that any bac players who doesn't get this manual is foolish. Even if they think that they are good players as is this will make them a better player.

Other than what you learn here at BTC, there is no other system on the internet, in book form or any other form that gives you an actual mathematical advantage over the casino. All mechanical systems mathematically break even no matter how cute or complex.

NOR is a whole new approach to the game that takes advantage of known casino weaknesses and gives you a real advantage. NOR can beat any kind of shoe and usually does. Sure, NOR can lose a shoe now and then but that is not the criteria you should be judging. What you should be looking at is that NOR loses less when it loses than it wins when it wins and it wins most of the time. And it does this W/O ever making large bets. Nor can even be played 2 high by those who prefer to play conservatively. But there is no reason to ever bet more than 4 units.

For instance, I recently finished an Atlantic City trip where each of my 6 shoes was recorded play by play at the ImSpirit site by their unbiased observer. I won all 6 shoes played at 4 different tables in two different casinos at both commission and no commission tables. My highest bet in all 6 shoes was a single 4 bet in the first shoe. Even 3 bets were very rare and most of the time I was betting one unit. Overall I attained a 26% Player Advantage (ROI) for the 6 shoes. P.A. is money won divided by money bet. This is likely a world record for 6 shoes.

To give you an idea of just how good that is, BJ card counters like the ones Hollywood makes so many movies about, strive to attain a 1/2 % P.A. but never seem to make it. Hell, I tip the waitress more than that! To me, that would be a complete waste of time. I'm there to make money - real money, not waitress change.

If you ever plan to set foot in a casino, or gamble on line, this is the way to play. We teach you everything you need to know and we help you every step of the way. You can talk to any or all of our players and they will all tell you the same thing. This is the way to beat a casino.

Most of our members tried everything else first. Nothing else works! Ask them.

BTW, several of our members have graduated to full time professional play just as I did 30 years ago. If you are going to devote the time to it, you might as well get paid well for your efforts. There's no good jobs out there these days anyway. You need lots of casino savvy to take this step but since I've been there and done that, I'm the best mentor you could have.

Edited June 26, 2012 by Guest

[davem]

Does the NOR System include any videos ? I am more of a visual learner and having some recorded videos really help... If not, is it planned in the future?

Thanks - love the work but the last manual I bought was a little difficult for me to understand.. need a little hand holding..

David

[Guest]

Does the NOR System include any videos ? I am more of a visual learner and having some recorded videos really help... If not, is it planned in the future?

Thanks - love the work but the last manual I bought was a little difficult for me to understand.. need a little hand holding..

David

That is what we are here for David. Everyone is a little lost at first because NOR functions off of events and conditions that players are not used to paying any attention to. Also it takes a little time to get used to our Baccarat language. But even our best pro players were just as confused as you are when they first started. Forunately this learning curve only lasts a short while. Don't be afraid to ask questions no matter how basic they may seem.

In the computer generation, everyone has become a visual learner. We are used to that. Yes, there are videos available that we produced at our seminars depicting games being played play by play on a blackboard. Just PM Keith Smith or email him at Keith@beatthecasino.com and he can tell you what is available. Our motto is no one gets left behind.

[Guest]

Guys, I've decided to copy a post made today from the private forum. The subject is a shoe I played for the crowd after our Las Vegas seminar.

I don't expect you to be able to follow the detail of this post. My purpose here is to give you a little glimpse into the private Baccarat forum to show you the kinds of things discussed on that forum and the detail common to the private forum - to show you first hand the kind of subject matter we get into on the private forum so that you can see for yourselves how valuable it is:

Ellis,

Could you possibly give us samples of how you would have played OTB4L with what led up to the 7 in a row and how we should play them? I have tried and I can't come up with the same bets that you list above. I will be glad to post them if you give me the plays for player and banker. Otb4l rocks but I need to see samples to really get what you are saying visually.

Best regards,

Jim

Well, I know I posted that shoe somewhere at the time and I can't remember it verbatim now but I can come very close. Certainly close enough to show you the point here which is that OTB4L does very well against 7s and is not bothered significantly by 8s or even 9s.

P 2133721312122221

I'll play it sticking with OTB4L M2 which is the way I should have played it but I'll also show you how my mistake of going to F2 was so easy to make and yet so devastating.

It is also important to note that the casino, noting the crowd, set up a new table for me with new cards and prepped the cards right there at the table in front of me. Therefore I was already leaning strongly toward OTB4L.

I started at play 3 with:

1B 1B 2P 1B 2B 1B 1P 2P 1P 1B 2B 3P 1P

OK, so far I'm playing standard OTB4L M2 and doing just fine but I noticed that at this point it was very strong sided favoring P 11 to 4 so I stayed on the run changing to F2. This worked OK at first but then I immediately hit the F2 trap which is a 213 on the weak side. This caused me to lose a 1234 12 putting me at -5 so I switched back to OTB4L M2 quitting at +5 since that was up ten units from my worst point. I should have paid more attention to the 3 on the weak side back at plays 789. That SHOULD have told me to stick it out with OTB4L M2.

Starting at play 15, my bet should have been, and in fact was 1P BECAUSE in Mode 2 we stay on the run for 1 more bet at least until that proves wrong which it never did.

But then, starting at play 16, my bets should have been:

1B 2B 1B 1P 1P 2B 1P 2P 1P 2B 1P 1P 2B 1P 1P 2B 1P 1P 1B 1B 1P 1P 1B = +22 instead of +5.

OK, play that out so everyone can see the plays.

Once played out I call your attention to the big scary 7. Had the 7 gone to 8 it only means I would have won a 3 bet on B instead of a 2 bet and I still score +21.

Had the 7 gone to 9 it merely means I would wave won a 4 bet on B instead of a 3 and I still score +20. See that?

So my point is this: Playing OTB4L you needn't be afraid of 7s or 8s or even 9s. Likewise playing S40 you needn't be concerned with 7s. A 3 bet beats a 7 and a 4 bet beats an 8 and a 5 bet beats a 9. Tens we see what, maybe once a year if we are lucky. So back to Sinatra's point about up jumps a 9, I say Big Whip! Both S40 and OTB4L beats them. F kills them! See that?

And Jim, thanks in advance for posting this shoe! A 7, big whip! Just remember, in Mode 2 we stay on the run for 2 bets until that proves wrong. Now you see first hand the reason for the rule. So you can beat 7s and 8s and even the dreaded 9s.

BTW, if I had played this shoe OTB4L M2 U1D2 that wouldn't have changed a single bet. I still score +22 with a single highest bet of 3. So see, U1D2 is not always as scary as it sounds. But talk about wading through a lot of crap! That is why, when playing for myself, I prefer to play new cards in the morning OTB4L M2 U1D2. Yeah, sure, you might get a 6 bet or a 7 or even an 8 but they are VERY rare and winning 20 shoes in a row becomes common place.

Edited June 29, 2012 by Guest

[vinfong318]

I do appreciate the skills that I have learned from Ellis. NOR does work as long as you know how and which method to apply. I use to lose in baccarat but now with careful application of NOR and also PvB and OvR ... I never lose to the casino. It is not how much you can win. That is just a function of unit size. It is how often you win. I've been winning more than losing and that is the object.

I am considering going full time in 2 weeks, as soon as I make arrangements for long term lodging. I want to be a pro baccarat player thru NOR.

Edited June 28, 2012 by Ellis

[Guest]

Another post from the private NOR forum today:

woke up early morning on july 1st canada day's nobody was home maybe went out to buy stuff for celebration i went to casino at 10 am walking to baccarat tables and saw no one so i decided to play NOR on roullete hic.. but no cause that two 0 00 gave me nightmare be4 so have no feeling for NOR on roulette then i go back to baccarat and start out the shoe i started in blind i remember Ellis said new card in the morning motstly favor OT so then i start my bet at play 3 Yeah really it was OT shoe i score +28 for the first shoe second shoe still OT score +15 anyway i play 8 shoes today and score +98 playing black chip $9800 Ha big holliday celebration, I know some of you out there trying to adjust,NOR elimination system things wish you luck but i have this simple words for you '' play wat is happening'' hey if they don't happen at what it appears so what we had our stop loss -8 no problem, in that 8 shoes i had 2 shoes -7 -8 so wat i still score 98 in the long run

Very good job bo_da but hey, it don't surprise me none! New cards = OTB4L, ha, USUALLY. New cards, whether Bac or BJ is the easiest game in the casino. Too bad we can't ALL schedule our casino play to take full advantage of that fact.

BTW, When playing NOR on a roulette table, it's best to play all 3 cards at the same time: Hi/LO

Red/black, odd/even. Also put a small bet on 0 00 1 if its coming up a lot. If not, just cover your highest bets.

BTW #2: -7 and -8 is a little hi for losing shoes. My avg losing shoe is only -4. Just because we have a Max stop loss of -8 doesn't mean you have to wait that long.

Edited July 2, 2012 by Guest

[Guest]

Hi David. We can help with that. Helping you win is our goal.