Class C hands. Just unlucky or something else?

[ztomsk]

Wow what happened? Bad trip. I was in the high limit room… it was Saturday, but it was early in the day right after they opened at noon with new cards playing head to head. The cards are pre-shuffled. The cards were relatively random, but no matter what I would lose my pat hands to a better pat hand and get outdrawn too. If I had 17, dealer had 18. If I had 18, dealer had 19 etc. And the few clumps I played, I still got outdrawn or would have broke either way. The dealer did break some, but I would lose almost every decent hand to a better one. I’ve never seen anything like it before. I would lose three in a row more than once and then switch tables and the same thing would happen. I can understand one table sure, but it was the whole pit it seemed. I don’t know what was up… but it had to be the card prep. Anyone ever witness this before? Any ways to combat this? I guess just not playing… but I couldn’t even get past the table testing stage. Then it was too late.

[Guest CarlosM]

In that situation, add a hand. A sacrafice player hand. That will change the flow.

[Guest]

Wow what happened? Bad trip. I was in the high limit room… it was Saturday, but it was early in the day right after they opened at noon with new cards playing head to head. The cards are pre-shuffled. The cards were relatively random, but no matter what I would lose my pat hands to a better pat hand and get outdrawn too. If I had 17, dealer had 18. If I had 18, dealer had 19 etc. And the few clumps I played, I still got outdrawn or would have broke either way. The dealer did break some, but I would lose almost every decent hand to a better one. I’ve never seen anything like it before. I would lose three in a row more than once and then switch tables and the same thing would happen. I can understand one table sure, but it was the whole pit it seemed. I don’t know what was up… but it had to be the card prep. Anyone ever witness this before? Any ways to combat this? I guess just not playing… but I couldn’t even get past the table testing stage. Then it was too late.

I think "pre-shuffled" is a polite term for "fixed". Reminds me of New Orleans. They open the doors to the boat. A whole line of us heads for the tables where the cards are already shuffled. They don't even give you a cut. Since they headed for the red tables I headed for the green. I play the first shoe head to head and lost every hand.

I say to the dealer: "These cards are fixed". "What makes you say that?" "Because in 6 decks of cards, you never dealt 2 tens in a row and that is impossible! You fixed the cards in a specific order while we were waiting outside."

"Buddy I just work here, I do what they tell me." As clean an admission of guilt as I ever heard.

Next shoe I moved to another new table. I sacrificed the first hand and stood when I should have hit. That reversed the flow. Now I'm getting the dealer's cards and he's getting mine. I won every hand.

[ztomsk]

Next shoe I moved to another new table. I sacrificed the first hand and stood when I should have hit. That reversed the flow. Now I'm getting the dealer's cards and he's getting mine. I won every hand.

Nice! That's great to hear you turned thier bullshit against them. I will try that next time I’m in bad conditions.

Pre-shuffled cards shouldn’t be legal. You have no idea it it’s fixed or if it’s short-decked or anything. They do shuffle them before the game and you get to cut. So I guess that is better than boxed order? I don’t know really.

I know a dealer and she said when the pit first opened, the casino got taken for a lot of money. Then they changed the way they shuffled and they have never lost like that since.

It’s kind of hit or miss with those tables… I have had really good shoes and some not so good shoes (mostly when dealer doesn’t break). I can usually to hold my own by playing the clumps, but sometimes they aren’t really clean clumps and a lone high or lone low shows up at the worst possible time. Maybe it’s because they use 6 decks in the high limit.

[Guest]

We had another player who quickly recognized he was playing fixed cards at new tables on a boat out of Texas. I told him to waste one trip and write down the card order and memorize it. He never lost a shoe after that. Again, don't complain about obvious cheating: Study it and use it to your advantage.

And one more time: People who think casinos are above cheating are too naive to ever step foot in a casino. Dumb bastards!