How many shoes do the pros play?

[Sarrom]

Hi Guys,

A question for the Pros...

I understand that we are encouraged to be selective with our shoes... My question is what is the average number of shoes you play for every 10 shoes/tote boards you come across?

Thanks!

[Guest]

Hi Guys,

A question for the Pros...

I understand that we are encouraged to be selective with our shoes... My question is what is the average number of shoes you play for every 10 shoes/tote boards you come across?

Thanks!

Wow! Tough question! Sometimes a casino has only one Bac table and sometimes many. Maccau has about 700.

And sometimes, especially early, you walk in and all the tables favor chop. Other times they are all over the place.

But in Atlantic City or Las Vegas where casinos and tables are plentiful, I'm guessing about 7 tables.

It is almost the same as asking how many tables does a casino have on average?

A better answer is "all of them". And, in Vegas, A.C., Tunica, CT., and the gulf coast, if we don't find what we are looking for, we change casinos.

But in Maccau or other large casinos a BTC player might look at 25 before sitting down.

It only takes seconds to look a table over. An experienced BTC player can walk down an isle of tote boards and look them all over W/O breaking stride. He might stop for a few seconds to look closer at a tote board that strikes his fancy. But he knows to look at every table in the casino before deciding. And sometimes that decision is leave and try another casino.

[Sarrom]

Thanks for the reply Ellis. I'm still new to NOR and am trying to hone in on the basics before moving forward with the advanced stuff. My impression is that if we become good with our table selection, the most basic approaches S40/F and OTB will be enough to create consistent wins.

As such, in the manual, you mention that if you can't decide what to play by the 12th hand, you should just pass as the bias isn't strong enough. However, I have come across many tables that have gone 30 to 40 hands deeps that would be profitable with 2 of the systems. Ex) shoe starts choppy, then goes streak, and then choppy again. Would you consider jumping in playing the more profitable of the 2 systems? Or, would you pass because you couldn't define the right approach, or the starting approach didn't hold?

Thanks

[Guest]

Thanks for the reply Ellis. I'm still new to NOR and am trying to hone in on the basics before moving forward with the advanced stuff. My impression is that if we become good with our table selection, the most basic approaches S40/F and OTB will be enough to create consistent wins.

As such, in the manual, you mention that if you can't decide what to play by the 12th hand, you should just pass as the bias isn't strong enough. However, I have come across many tables that have gone 30 to 40 hands deeps that would be profitable with 2 of the systems. Ex) shoe starts choppy, then goes streak, and then choppy again. Would you consider jumping in playing the more profitable of the 2 systems? Or, would you pass because you couldn't define the right approach, or the starting approach didn't hold?

Thanks

Well you are starting out asking the right questions.

Often two and sometimes all 3 systems beat the same shoe. All three systems have a way of handling runs. Most choppy shoes have a run here and there and vice versa. A basically + OR count might dip into minus momentarily but this does not change the basic bias. The systems are designed to handle momentary distractions.

Some casinos are easier than others but basically yes, any casino can be beat. The trick is to know what is going on BEFORE you sit down to play and this we will teach you.

Going 12 hands W/O detecting a bias is virtually impossible:

The OR counts is either +, = S40 or

-, = F

or back and forth = OTB4L

There are no other possibilities.

But yes, I might leave a table after 12 hands in search of a stronger bias. The object is to play the strongest bias in the casino. Some tables don't pass muster. But the object is to know that BEFORE you sit down.

If we can't find a strong bias, there is no point in playing. But that is very rare.