Sarrom

Thank you very much for the play by play Oz - it was very enlightening, and extremely beneficial for all to let us into your thinking process. I know that you've committed to not letting the identity of your Mentor be known, but if I could ask one simple question: Was he a previous student of Ellis' teachings? Thanks again! Sarrom

Hi all, I'm looking for feedback on the original MDB (+5) mechanical play Ellis rolled out consisting of BAs40/s40m1/otb4l. All input is appreciated. Thank you!

I didn't realize there way any additional pricing with MDB+. I'll address with Keith. Thanks.

Hi Way2fast, Is there a thread where I could find the MDB+ signals? Thank you

Hi guys, This may be a silly question, but after having read through posts from the last 6+ months! I'm suddenly confused about what preshuffled cards are. At my local casinos, the morning preps have dealers spend 10-15 minutes shuffling every 6 or 8 deck batch of cards. Shuffle includes washing, pitching cards all over the table, riffling and cuts. Every table gets 2 batches. Every batch is run through the respective shuffle master before loaded into the shoe. Would this qualify as a preshuffled cards? I had always assumed that preshuffled cards were considered those where individual decks came preshuffled from the factory, but I've read a few posts that insinuate that there are casinos that load brand new, sorted decks into the shuffle machine - which if find bizarre. Are these shoes more conducive to NOR or MDB? Thanks

I want to join MDB - is there a discount for existing NOR members? Thanks.

I'm glad to hear you're having more success with your new method and understand if you don't want to share. However, could you kindly share how much higher your shoe win rate is as well as your PA? Has it gone up? Thanks

Ellis - I'm on board for making the seminar the prereq. Your mentorship alone has been far more valuable than any of the costs associated with joining the forum, other webinars etc...

Thanks K - you never know... If I do, I'll bring donuts! Vic - it means exactly that. NOR is a shoe bias, not a table bias. When you're table searching, how often do you actually watch a shoe before hand to gauge the strength of the table bias? Invest some time looking at completed tote boards and you will see far more than just neutrals, opposites and repeats. You can own more than just the shoe with table selection - you can own the table. Why do you think Ellis will hammer a specific baccarat table shoe after shoe if he's beating it? Strength of bias. Lastly consider this: What else has Ellis taught us? He's taught us that an actual non bias is also a bias.

This isn't a fiction book, but I thoroughly enjoyed the book. It's called 'Fortune's Formula' and has some great stories about Edward Thorpe, the supporting cast, birth of the Kelly Criterion etc... I believe it's by William Pounstone. It's a great read.

Wow - massive synchronicity in my bacc experience this week! In light of having fun with the riddling, I can attest to the table biases going beyond NOR. Many of my local sessions are like a game of 3 card monte. Most of the players fall prey to the trickery, but an astute one won't fall for the casino's sleight of hand. I wonder how stacked, non shuffled cards would play out?

Maybe I haven't been around long enough to witness all the crazy theory posts, but I do know this. This type of scrutiny is a form of prejudice and disempowers creativity on this forum. I believe that scrutiny should be saved for the material posted, not the poster. Progress comes from creativity. Look to Ellis as an example. He was the first professional BJ player to say that counting didn't work. Ridiculed by his peers, he stood firm on his belief. End result - the birth of NBJ... Do you think he was the first to come out with a new BJ theory after Thorpe? Everybody has the choice to not participate in the thread. Consider this as well, if all he is leading up to is nothing but illogical craziness... Perfect! At least well all know that the process is flawed and it raises the believability on the approaches we are using. Better still, for those of us who continue to explore optimizing our play, perhaps the experience gives us an aha moment. That is part of the fun. Every seasoned player should have enough of a handle on the material, and it's supporting theories to make this kind of discernment.

Hi All, When I joined BTC, I did so because I wanted to explore the game of baccarat. Today, I am convinced that the game can be beaten and thanks to Ellis and NOR, I feel equipped with the skills to do so. I haven't learned the 4d yet, so speaking to NOR only, I have some opinions I'd like to share. I think NOR is brilliant, but not perfect. The biggest challenge for me and for most everyone else, is tackling the runs. We do have the best mode tools that serve to flatten out anomalies to the bias and that's great. They work because the mode decisions are better than 50/50 hence, I do not fear any runs. NOR when applied well, definitely works. But I still see 2 distinct opportunities with NOR: 1). Heavy weighting on decisions that are showing me a potential change in shoe bias 2). Capitalizing on the shoe when the bias flows most freely Point 2 is easier said than done, because the truth of the matter is that nobody knows when this happens... Or do we? Anybody who has been playing NOR and winning likely feels they can spot sub biases, or runs in the shoe which then can be used exploit more bias flow. I believe this is in part what Kramden has been alluding to. I commented previously on my Predator mode and the success I was getting. I'm basically looking for opportune times to go and hit a quick 1-2 progression. My decisions are NOR/SAP and flow based. What I didn't share then was that my hit rate is far higher than that of playing straight NOR and NOR+. Having already won over 200 units playing straight NOR, I think that says something. Whatever Kramden was trying to share, I can't help but offer my opinion that we should let him share it. The guy believes he's onto something big and it's not some funky ass 12 step wonder progression that's going to force a remortgage on the house. He alludes to being able to flat bet it, so shouldn't we be more teachable? The true meaning of education is to draw information out from within... It's not to have something handed to you on a silver platter. So, in his posts, was he not trying to draw out ideas and conclusions from our play experience? Is this not the best way to teach? Please take note: The power in Ellis's teachings are not only his play methodology. The true gift of his teachings ties in with the inspiration to 'think'. If Kramden chooses to share more of his findings and continues to use the drawing out method of teaching, I hope that those whom which do not enjoy his 'game', not participate. You guys are like the punk kids in class, trying to be cool. You're not cool. Thanks Kramden - the 1-3 rocks. SS

I haven't played at the other locations... But will likely give the Gold Coast a looksy this summer during the WSOP. Hollywood park has a bunch of tables - at least 20. There are 5 in the high limit room and more outside. Overall, it was never tough to get a seat, especially in the high limit room.

Hi Sakana, I don't have access to all the stats now, but I must have sat into at least 40 shoes. However, there were many shoes where I played less than 10 hands. Either I was challenged with back to back mode bets quickly or I could see a much better tote board and would abandon the weaker shoe. I'm not used to having so many tables to choose from, so I tried to capitalize on the best bias I could find at all times. I very seldom jump into a shoe without seeing at least 5 events, but this trip, my average entry point was likely around the 20th hand. As for penetration, I simply played to 10 units but set tight capture points along the way depending on how the shoe was playing out. I used 6 as a stop loss and would begin playing a 1-2 or straight 1's if my I fell behind. All in all, I think I played pretty tough, but had still made a whole bunch of mistakes.