Illinois Player Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 Here is the shoe I encountered at Rivers Des Plaines IL Casino. Could anyone advise what would be the best way to play it? Which system?B1311311226B126511111P324223112B311133I tried playing 4D but it was tricky so some help please... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baccarat Hall of Fame Member kachatz1 Posted September 24, 2015 Baccarat Hall of Fame Member Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 Here is the shoe I encountered at Rivers Des Plaines IL Casino. Could anyone advise what would be the best way to play it? Which system?B1311311226B126511111P324223112B311133I tried playing 4D but it was tricky so some help please...Now you see why an Ark can come in handy @ times...Always too EZ to play a shoe" after the fact", and you could play it any one of many ways since you have the info...The more important question is, now having the full shoe in front of you, what COULD you have done ?Examples:- leave the shoe early- Play original MDB rules, before W2F adjustment ( takes patience and recognition, to know when to play...)- SAP showing strong 3/4+ vs.1/2 counts- Player " took off" versus Bank count mid shoeEtc. etc.Most def a tough shoe...and when you see one like this, what are you supposed to do?( you know the answer)Again, EZ for me to second-guess...I would have struggled with this shoe 5D ( 4D + MDB) as well, and this is how I play every time...But you have to be willing to walk away if you are struggling!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users brad01 Posted September 24, 2015 Users Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 Once again its just not the same as playing for real as saying what one would have done but...B1311311226 B126511111 P324223112 B311133Breaking the shoe into sections:1311311 = S40M1 - 11 plays2261265 = OTBLM2 - 24 plays11111 = S40 = 5 plays324223112 = OTBLM3 = 20 plays311133 = S40M1 = 12 playsGoing with my theory that casinos are changing the bias about 4 times per shoe to give bias players a read on something and then changing itThis is a tough shoe but it is predominantly OTBL - most of these mixed up shoes aren't anything all the way through but usually OTBL will be the best if you were to choose one system to go with - OTBLM2 (anything but the 4's) would have done ok here I thinkWhat I am doing now is to look for a bias and try and capture a few units before it changes and then look for the change and then capture a few more and so on and so on for about 4 changes per shoeIf you look at the start of each of the sections there is a trigger to tell you what to play:113 = S40m1226 = OTBLM2111 = S40 or just opposites324 = OTBLM3311 = S40M1Use the triggers and capture a few units or even 1 and you do okPlay all the way through and you may notThe days of picking one system and playing all the way through all the time to get +50 are gone I'm sorry to sayThe casinos have figured out how to bait bias players in - use it to your advantage and pick the change - don't pick a system and play it all the way through and hope it will bring you out +However if I had to pick one it would definitely be OTBL (mostly M2) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baccarat Hall of Fame Member kachatz1 Posted September 25, 2015 Baccarat Hall of Fame Member Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 Most def Designer Shoe, or Designer question. Lots of shoes like this these days, so really hard to even break it down, as candidly playing in real tiime, at Casino Speed is not like playing Fantasy Football after-the-game-is -over quarterback...Why not?Because even in FF, they still report their score... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users brad01 Posted September 25, 2015 Users Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 Looks like designer shoe to me too. Predominantly otbl like because casinos know it doesnt require much skill to pick opposite or repeat biases.But they dont want to make it otbl all way through or bias players have nothing to tempt them. Also switches modes for every nor system due to quite an even spread of events. 1 - 6 both straight and zz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkriats Posted September 26, 2015 Report Share Posted September 26, 2015 Ark with simply RD1 prog 123 PB after the lose of the prog until a win, you get +18. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calbear1460 Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 Just got back from New Orleans.Had a hard time figuring out this deck.How would you pay this.P112524113B31121113421B113312111 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users ECD Posted October 16, 2015 Users Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 Just got back from New Orleans.Had a hard time figuring out this deck.How would you pay this.P112524113B31121113421B113312111Shoe has 9 MDB+ signals; all 9 win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarrom Posted October 17, 2015 Report Share Posted October 17, 2015 Hi Way2fast,Is there a thread where I could find the MDB+ signals?Thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users brad01 Posted October 17, 2015 Users Report Share Posted October 17, 2015 Hate to divide the forum but MDB+ was priced at $1200 (USD I might add as AUD vs USD is terrible for us now) when I joined and NOR $600 USDNow NOR is $299 + $25 forum access so potentially a NOR player could get MDB+ signals for $299 + $25Personally I don't care as in this game its not what you know but how you use itKeith may see it differently as the owner of the site so not sure if many MDB+ players would feel comfortable giving it out without consulting Keith about current price structure.Just saying... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarrom Posted October 17, 2015 Report Share Posted October 17, 2015 I didn't realize there way any additional pricing with MDB+. I'll address with Keith. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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