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Yes, it works. You may have to reset or re-adjust your SAP counts every 50 hands or so.

What works really well IF you’re willing to put in the time to learn it is FTS. With just flatbetting or using 1,2 loop, you can achieve double digit results.

Welcome to the forum. Oz is like a fine wine, gets better with age. Triggers and decisions on when/when not to bet is very subjective as you get better in this game.

Please join the club Mr. Letourneau. Pretty pleeeessssee! Our club would be so much better graced with the presence of your positive, can-do attitude. No really, PLEASE join. I don’t know how we will be able to go on without you.

Welcome back Mr. PBOR.

Everyone should know that fu**ing scumbag Dean Jackson over at CasinoForum.club is the biggest ripoff artist and the most hated guy in the Baccarat world. It feels great to know his blog is a failure. How can someone who has never had a winning day in his life run a Baccarat forum?

The answer is "YES" and "NO". "NO" if you are hoping for a quick and easy mechanical method. READ MY LIPS...All Mechanical Methods eventually "come a cropper" (Aussie slang...LOL) and that's the simple truth in a nutshell. Combined with Negative Progressions, they become a recipe for disappointment and financial disaster. Sad to say...the early teachings of this site by the Self Proclaimed "Greatest Baccarat Player in History" involved mostly the combination of these two Baccarat Evils. He developed over the years more than 45 "Sure Fire" methods...some that he claimed wouldn't lose to any combination of cards dealt. When they did eventually lose...there was always an excuse... "The Casino was on to us and changed the cards" was a favorite. (Yup...Casino Management would be shaking in their boots at the sight of he and his entourage armed to the teeth with their RED chips) LMFAO ... If other players using his methods lost it was generally BAD Table selection by them and he wouldn't have chosen to play that table. He loved to tell "WAR" stories...Tales of the many, many millions that he made from Book Sales...Teaching and playing, and his students too could make the same millions. But as they say..."Follow the Money Trail" When all is said and done after accumulating all those millions, why would "The Teacher" be living in a tiny shack in the backwoods many hours from the nearest casino valued at under $60K? You join the dots. Where is the money? Personally, I would rather my teacher be living in the biggest G/D mansion on the planet to give me even greater incentive and confirmation of his skills. The fact is that Negative Progressions are likely to win initially. This is what the "System Sellers" rely on. The very fact that that NP's can allow you to win when losing more than 50% of your bets should give you room for thought. There is no way to win long term unless you are winning more than 50% of your bets. It is just as easy to hit the wall with NP's as it is to win and when you fall...you fall hard. This is not to say that all the early info on BTC should be discarded. Far from it but you need to be wary (run like hell) of anything advising the use of Negative Progressions. They are the domain of crap Baccarat Players who can't be bothered putting in the time and effort required. The other members of BTC will steer you in the direction you need to head to get the basics right and then it all comes back to how badly you really want it. Recognise that in general...over 50% of hands dealt are what we call "BAD BETS". What we mean by that is that there is no legitimate history for a particular bet being made. Therein lies a major problem with Mechanical Systems in that they force you to make those BAD BETS and rely on their Negative Progressions to pull you out of the fire. The answer can also be "YES"! First, you have to be prepared to put in the time and effort required. BTC doesn't ask for outrageous amounts of money to join up (I have no idea of the pricing structure) but I guarantee that it is a whole lot less than any course of Study that you might choose while at the same time providing you with rewards and benefits that are hard to imagine. What we do ask for though is "PARTICIPATION". By joining BTC, you are becoming a Member of an Elite Club and you are expected to contribute as in any other Club. The benefits of this Club come courtesy of the Members. We have the original Posts from the great Norm Allen RIP who was one of the first to do away with both Mechanical Systems and Negative Progressions and he hit an undisputed $2million PLUS in a little over two and a half years. We have the Posts from Papa Joe (arguably the greatest Baccarat Brain of them all) and Kostas not far behind him. Sadly, they left the Forum along with others because of the direction it was heading at the time with the addiction to NP's and the continual promotion of new "Flavor of the month" Systems. They mostly still play Baccarat or (Roulette) and are still winning after all these years. But their Legacy lives on in their Past Posts. (PJ still sticks his head in occasionally to keep us on the straight and narrow) We have players like Wolfat who have seen it all and been winning consistently since Noah launched the Ark. He is still here and chimes in with advice regularly. We rarely take risks except for the occasional Up as you win Progression and generally follow variations of Norm's Flat Betting and 1 2 Loop approach... Minimum risk for Maximum gain. We have W2f regarded by many as the best of the current "NEW BREED" of Baccarat Player who have taken the route traveled by Norm A and then taken it to a new level. Nobody knows quite how much W2f has taken from the Casino coffers but we most all get a lift when he Posts pics of his High Unit Wins. And at the other end of the spectrum we have a crotchety old Aussie (Moi) who rarely sleeps and has a penchant for Baccarat Statistics that would bore the shit off a Dunny wall. (I do OK on the Tables myself) And we have other members at various stages of their Baccarat journey... Some almost at the top of their game and others just starting out...but all contribute in one way or another. We have the Masterclass Video Library by the more experienced Members (My personal favourite is my own.. LOL Nobody but me can understand it ) a great way again of advancing your Baccarat knowledge. Then we have the "icing on the cake"...Without a doubt, the best Baccarat Practice Tool on the Net "THE STRATEGIC BACCARAT INTERFACE" that will accelerate the learning curve of the Newbies and the less experienced players exponentially. There are various methods we employ with the SBI which will be expanded upon in the Private Forum. And last but least (sorry buddy...couldn't help myself LOL) we have Keith who runs the place. BTC is his baby and his aim is to make it the best damn Baccarat...Blackjack and Roulette Site on the Net. He recognises that he has a group of players the like of what has never been gathered in one place before and he generally stays in the background organising shit and doing all the day to day promotional stuff. So...Pretty much that's it...No false promises and the truth is that most who start this journey will fall by the wayside but the rewards are there and the proof lies in those that have gone before but I can just give you one cast-iron guarantee...Unlike the self-confessed Guru of Baccarat...This little brown dog don't live in no glorified dog kennel in the backwoods...That's for sure. Good luck Oz PS: I may have made the timeframe for success sound much longer than it has to be. If a new player puts in the hard yards, it is possible to start winning within a few months...but that is just the start of your journey.

I have been scammed by those scoundrels!!!! Take your money than ban you shortly after you find out what you paid for was crap and you are not happy about it. Deceptive business practices of you ask me.

It appears Dean of CFC has taken exception to my expose of his Business tactics on CFC...The false promises...The BANNING of fully paid-up members for daring to express a dissenting opinion...the outright Lies etc. I have exposed him for the know-nothing Baccarat Player that he is. He is charging for a service that he cannot possibly provide because he is simply incapable of understanding even the basics of Winning Baccarat. He is ripping off the weak and the gullible...those who can least afford it. He is a Fraudster. He is harassing me with all sorts of Legal Threats which bothers me not so much because both he and his partner in crime would struggle to afford a half decent cup of coffee if they combined their funds. ? Now he is claiming that I am under Police Investigation and even provided me with a Police Investigation Number which I strongly suspect he got off the back of a Cereal Box. So...Before INTERPOL come a knocking on my door...LMFAO...I would like to make a request that all those that have been ripped off by this SCAMMER, notify me so that I have even more ammunition to smash him right back to whatever sleaze pit he used to inhabit. You can either do it by PM or email johnraeno.1@gmail.com or if you wish to stand up and be counted... right here on this thread. Thanks in advance Oz UH...OH...Heavy knocking on my front door...Gotta go now...?

Sam, this demonstration provided to you by our administrator is HANDS DOWN, the greatest tool in your baccarat journey. There are over 4000 actual shoes from all over the world at your disposal.

You should speak with Keith -- he is arranging it.

It's been announced for members of the club.

I have been practicing the game, and 221 MM is a great way to play it BUT, I would only use the 221 MM to just get one unit. After you get the one unit you would use the MM again to get another. This minimizes the potential 8 or 9 unit bet which is kind of frowned upon. lol

Ralis, To the best of my knowledge, Norm didn't have a manual. There are a bunch of Norm's posts on threads that have been archived which covers how he played including how he used FTS and SAP. There are also a few guys who have communicated with Norm that can help you out also. Hope that answered your question.

Whoever is going to the Vegas soiree later this month can you PM me? I have a favor to ask. Thanks

No need for apologies at all. I just didn't want you to get caught up in another of Dean's scams. I only wish it was as easy as Dean claims, but the truth is that winning Bacc takes time and persistence. The good news, however, is that Baccarat can be beaten and the rewards are there for the taking.

Joey...You appear to misunderstand. Andrea is not saying that this is how Norm played at all. He is simply quoting the claims made by that pissant Dean from BTC. Dean simply has no idea how Norm played. It is simply another one of his scams to suck money out of the terminally gullible.

What people need to understand about Dean (the administrator/owner of CFC) is that just a little over two years ago, he knew nothing about Baccarat until Ellis seconded him into setting up and administering CFC. Dean ruled with an iron fist and still does and his strategy was/is to BAN anyone who dares to question the various systems promoted on CFC. Some of the best Baccarat players doing the rounds were banned by Dean which makes a lot of sense. Who wakes up one morning and has a lightbulb moment..."I know what I'll do...I'll Ban every successfull player on CFC because I really don't need their input"...STUPID beyond belief. With Ellis gone, there is no-one teaching on CFC with even half an idea of how to win at Baccarat. Dean professing to be an expert at Baccarat and claiming to have sussed out how Norm played FTS is kinda like me speed reading the Kama Sutra and setting up as a Sex Therapist... The difference being that unlike Dean...I do at least have some basic practical experience...albeit a bit of a struggle to remember the finer details.?

Yes it was. Dean is trying to convince the "Terminally Gullible" that he, having had no contact with Norm before he passed away, has somehow discovered how Norm played. He has not ever discussed Norm's play with those of us that Norm trusted with "Follow The Shoe". I have Norm's Manual and I can tell you for a fact that Dean hasn't a clue...he is not even vaguely close. But that won't prevent him spouting his lies and total Bullshit in an attempt to feather his own nest. Even Ellis is to all intents and purposes unaware of the vagaries of FTS and when I asked him the question re Dean's "epiphany", this was his reply. Ellis Ripple Right John! Dean never knew Norm and never met Norm. I have never discussed Norm's play with Dean. Dean has no idea of how Norm played. You can quote me on that if you want. Despite Dean's BS claims...FTS is not and never was a mechanical system and Norm would go to great lengths to convince anyone who would listen that there will never be a mechanical system that will beat Baccarat. Here at BTC, we have taken the pioneering work done by Norm who opened our eyes to the possibilities and play an even more advanced method of FTS (which takes time and effort to learn) Norm showed us the way and we will forever be thankful for his contribution. Wolfat was close to Norm and has every right to be angry at that scumbag Dean using Norm's good name to make a quick buck.

You are nowhere near as disappointed (or worried) as I am. Memo to self: Make an appointment with Optometrist ASAP ?

Really???... Then who was that in my ???... Never mind...?

My honest opinion is that Dean is not all that bright. He attached himself to Ellis's coat tails until he thought that he could do better without him. "Doing better" for Dean does not entail being a better Baccarat Player but rather... without Ellis...he no longer has to share the profits from scamming the gullible. His latest claim about is all about how FTS was kept under lock and key but he managed to discover the secret. This is Dean...who would struggle to tie his own shoelaces without outside assistance. Listen to me people...The method that Dean is describing is about as far removed from reality as the date I had with Kim Kardashian last night. He has no frigging idea about FTS and really doesn't care that much. It's not important for him to know how to play FTS...it is only important that he can convince people that he has unlocked the "secret" so that he can rip off the gullible. That's what scammers do and that's what Dean does. Contrary to the claims made by Dean... "Follow The Shoe" is not a mechanical system that can be learned in a few minutes. FTS is a concept...a method of play practiced by the majority of the successful players on BTC and it takes time to learn those concepts and lots of practice. Dean is trying to appeal to those who don't want to be bothered putting in the effort and choose to believe in the Non-existent "Holy Grail". Dean is a scammer... a snake oil salesman...nothing more...nothing less. If anyone reads this thread and still decides to fork out their hard earned... then pretty much... you deserve the disappointment that will be forthcoming.

I am a bit miffed. It appears that Dean has banned me from accessing CFC... Was it something I said?? A parasite is an organism that lives on or in a host organism and gets its food from or at the expense of its host...Consider Ellis and CFC as "The Host"...What does that make Dean?

"WE are good at HALF the shoes. NORM was good at ALL the shoes. He showed us the way!" This from Dean...The pissant that knows as much about Baccarat as I do about "String Theory" He claims to have deciphered Norm's method of play...cracked the secret code. This freaking know nothing idiot couldn't crack the skin on a rice pudding. He is making a last desperate attempt to flog another system as he watches his "Active" Membership go through the Basement floor since he got rid of Ellis. Problem is that he is forgetting about all the previous lies that he told about "Unbeatable/Invincible" systems. As recently as a few days ago he was claiming another "Best System Ever" which can be yours for a mere $750...but now the truth comes out...that the CFC players are only winning half the shoes. The truth about Norm's "Follow The Shoe " has absolutely nothing to do with Dean's interpretation. He is making it all up...Lying through his teeth. The MC classes on BTC and the strategy we use is an extension of the way Norm played. BTC doesn't promote it as a system because it isn't. Norm didn't play mechanically and time and time again stated that no mechanical system could beat Baccarat...But Dean knows better. Follow The Shoe takes time to learn...what to look for ...what to avoid...but one thing for sure and certain the OT and OR count as promoted by Dean is about as useful to a Baccarat player as a condom to a Eunuch. Interesting though...The Legend in his own mind...Mr Baccarat himself... Dean Jackson is using the OR and OT counts as developed by Ellis despite booting Ellis off his Forum. Like Wolfy...I am more than a little pissed off with Dean and his "Bullshit" claims about Norm...but I can tell you of another whose anger would be palpable. If Papa Joe ever gets wind of this (the closest friend Norm ever had....who worked closely with Norm in Developing FTS) then Dean better start looking for a new continent to live in. I strongly suggest that you avoid Australia though...no safe haven here... because there is a cranky old Aussie waiting that would take the utmost pleasure in introducing your testicles to your tonsils. Dean is a scammer...nothing more...nothing less...and frankly if anyone is retarded enough to believe his rubbish...then you deserve to be scammed. Dean would be better off returning to posting half naked pics of himself on the internet (for God knows whatever reason) because his Forum is going down the gurgler which is exactly where it deserves to end up. One last bit of advice to Dean (because he reads the BTC Public Forum) ...If you are going to do the posting of your half-naked body pics on the Net thing...FFS...You need to work out...it's not a good look.?

as Oz would say......"Abso-freaking-lutly"