Wendel's shoe

[Wendel]

Hi,

Please forgive the title, I just couldn't think of anything better and would like to know if

it seems like a "typical shoe "

it was the first shoe of the day (6 deck mini bac) for the blue cards

P2131213141122

P2191244

P1221

I started with OTB4L after the 12 th play and switched to F after I went on the run against the 9 banks

That didn't really help. and I stopped at -8. I think I could have beat this shoe with S40.

The Red cards on this table had a spectacular F shoe. When I arrived there had been 2 runs of 7 separated by 1 player then another single or 2 and a run of 10 on the side that had the 2 7's. I got there after the run of 10 had begun.

[Guest]

Hi,

Please forgive the title, I just couldn't think of anything better and would like to know if

it seems like a "typical shoe "

it was the first shoe of the day (6 deck mini bac) for the blue cards

P2131213141122

P2191244

P1221

I started with OTB4L after the 12 th play and switched to F after I went on the run against the 9 banks

That didn't really help. and I stopped at -8. I think I could have beat this shoe with S40.

The Red cards on this table had a spectacular F shoe. When I arrived there had been 2 runs of 7 separated by 1 player then another single or 2 and a run of 10 on the side that had the 2 7's. I got there after the run of 10 had begun.

Well OK, first when you post a shoe, make sure you have 20 plays per col. That is our standard short cut method and it helps us transcribe correcftly w/o leaving out plays.

9iars are not typical but other than that the shoe is a typical F NOR+ shoe and good for OTB4L as well. Although F shoes are not all that common anymore - most casinos.

6 deck is also not standard. 8 deck is. So for 6 deck you need to change your rough goal from +20 to +15.

Since you had blue and red cards, I know they were using standard cards rather than factory preshuffled.

Prior shoes are more meaningful with standard cards. This table is urging you to play F. You were right about that Wendel.

We usually have a good table read (like you did) so we usually start NOR+ right at play 2 when we know what system to play.

I'm sure some of the new players still lack the confidence to do this and it is fine to build up confidence first. Remember that I was teaching NOR+ to players who already had NOR down pat.

I nearly always start at play 2.

And we typically start F with F2 unless we have information otherwise. But here, the extreme strong side would throw us into F3 before the question of mode even comes up. You are only slightly better off with F3 but mode makes almost no difference with this shoe. You kill it in either mode. You finish with +26 to +28 depending on exactly how you played your modes and exactly where you quit - an incredible score for only 53 plays.

Mode doesn't even come up in this shoe until play 23. At that point P is so strong it's begging you to play Mode 3. That holds up fine until play 42 where the losing 3 puts you in mode 2. That puts you at +28 at play 48 but you lose 2 units finishing out so +26 if you play to the last play.

Now let me point out that that is +26, down from +28 in a shoe with only 53 plays. So that is an incredible score all due to Wendel noting that it strongly appeared to be an F table.

OTB4L does well at +15 which is very good for 53 plays. But even if you made that mistake it would be very hard to miss the Player SS throwing you into F anyway.

I didn't check S40 but I wouldn't be surprised if that won also.

We seldom see shoes like this anymore (That F favorable) but 6 deck would alert us that we aren't playing a typical casino and to expect most anything.

But you did right by checking out the table first and noting that it looked like a strong F table.

[Wendel]

Hi,

Here is another partial shoe that I was stopped early at.

This shoe has only 1 2 in a row up to the point where I had to quit. I would appreciate your insite into this shoe (6 decks , machine shuffled)

B1131113513

B1242113

Thanks in advance.

[Guest]

Hi,

Here is another partial shoe that I was stopped early at.

This shoe has only 1 2 in a row up to the point where I had to quit. I would appreciate your insite into this shoe (6 decks , machine shuffled)

B1131113513

B1242113

Thanks in advance.

Well, this is an F2 shoe. Your clues are it starts Strong Side Bank plus sporadic 1's, both overwhelming F signatures. This likely came from an F table. Starting at play 2, you push right past +10 in the first col and finish at +14 if you didn't quit at +15. Not bad at all for only 34 plays. Had you stayed in you are likely looking at +20 in spite of the 5 bet at play 32.

[Dazza]

Were I get confused on what method to play is with the 113 start it looks like sys40

at the start well that's what I would of chosen

The hard part is choosing the right method at the start

Thanks

Dazza

[Wendel]

Well, this is an F2 shoe. Your clues are it starts Strong Side Bank plus sporadic 1's, both overwhelming F signatures. This likely came from an F table. Starting at play 2, you push right past +10 in the first col and finish at +14 if you didn't quit at +15. Not bad at all for only 34 plays. Had you stayed in you are likely looking at +20 in spite of the 5 bet at play 32.

Thanks, Ellis.

I completely misinterpreted the first 4 plays and and originally tried to play the shoe S40. When I got home I played

more variations of S40 and OTB than I care to think about.

This morning, I tried the shoe with F2 U1D2 and got the same results as you did.

I will try and find the post that deals with interpreting the beginning of the shoe.

[Guest]

Were I get confused on what method to play is with the 113 start it looks like sys40

at the start well that's what I would of chosen

The hard part is choosing the right method at the start

Thanks

Dazza

Exactly right Dazza. This one is not obvious at first at all so don't feel bad. If I had no prior shoes to go by I would have started out wrong too, and probably S40. Even OTB4L M3 looks good until you hit the 5 ZZ - the kiss of death for Mode 3. And right S40 M3 takes off like a house afire. Even M2 is not bad.

But here is what you need to notice, At play 9, no matter how you started, Bank is at 6 and Player only 3. What you need to know is that SS, esp. SS with sporadic 1s takes precedence over EVERYTHING! So no matter how you started, after play 6, you badly need to go to F and sure enough it turns out to be a good F shoe even though it does not favor a minus OR until later in the shoe.