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Is there a point in card tracking/counting? or am I wasting my time. Like tracking all the naturals. or say we already know 75% of the deck through process of elimination we guesstimate which side will be higher based on the order in which they came out ie player card, banker card, player card, banker card.

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This is Baccarat, NOT Blackjack. BJ methods DON'T work in Bac. Every card counting/tracking variation conceivable has been tried over the last 30 years. Several books were written. None created any B/P prediction ability in the slightest. It is all wishful thinking!

The ONLY thing that works is BIAS and lack of bias both created by the card prep and shuffle vs the starting order of the cards. Casinos laugh at Baccarat card trackers. They even track naturals on the tote board for you as well as B vs P and then laugh at the idiots who try to make any sense of them. If this information actually helped you do you think the casinos would give it to you?

Card tracking in Baccarat is a good way to get comped!

So the player asks: "How much did Player win by?" And the pit boss replies: "Do you have a room for tonight?"

But event tracking is a whole different story. Those guys scare pit bosses!

Regular cards event counts tend to spread further and further apart. The highest vs the lowest event counts are extremely useful in predicting future events. That is the whole purpose and basis of SAP. Casinos know this.

That is why they went to the expense of factory preshuffled cards purchased in specific casino favorable card orders.

Preshuffled cards favor random - even what we call in BJ "Super Random". Casinos do this because Mathematicians worldwide told them "Random numbers cannot be beat"

But Mathematicians make the WORST BJ players, the WORST Bac players and the WORST Poker players BECAUSE they have no conception of shuffle technology or Poker reads - "tells".

The FACT is that in BJ, super random cards (cards where the high /low count keeps crossing ZERO) are the EASIEST cards to beat by a country mile. The very same cards that are a card counters nightmare. That is why BJ card counters quit the very best tables in search of the very worst tables. Idiots! The fact is that BJ Basic Strategy is BASED on RANDOM cards. So random is the last thing the casino wants.

Card Counters - Idiots taught by SCAMMERS - the losingest players in the casino. They spent years learning the best way to LOSE! And Hollywood keeps making movies about these idiots. We have idiots making movies about idiots in a pretend world! Ha, a triple whammy! You lose!

But in the REAL world, like in the Don Johnson world, who doesn't count cards BTW, RANDOM WINS! Random prevails.

And the casinos know this full well. That is why in BJ the casinos use shuffles and shuffle machines that induce greater clumping. Higher counts.

And card counters fall for this ploy in droves.

The exact opposite happens in Baccarat. The casinos couldn't get the cards random enough with their machines so they went to factory preshuffled cards - SUPER RANDOM CARD ORDERS. Eliminate all biases.

Random is a bias in itself. Event counts (SAP) tend to even out rather than fly apart. That makes events predictable. Artificially predictable. Understand? Just as we can beat random in BJ, we can also clearly beat it in Baccarat. We just need to know exactly how.

We could use SAP in reverse.

OR

We can bet that the casino cannot produce 5 of a kind because the cards are purposely TOO random to produce 5 of a Kind. Get it?

MDB demonstrated full well that the casinos cannot even produce 4 of a kind.

That is why MDB+ is based on the FACT that the more random the cards are the less likely they are to produce 5 of a kind W/O a winning event in between.

Will it ALWAYS win? No. But this game is NOT about ALWAYS. This game is about "USUALLY"!

5 of a kind wins enough to make a million dollars IF you know our easy play schedule.

Most players think casinos are their friend. Ha, watch my lips: Casinos are professional deviates. They thrive on fixing games in their favor. Then they laugh at us. Watch my lips: "These guys are NOT your friends." They are out to beat you.

But, let's get the last laugh! In this world I'm the only friend you've got. I KNOW that because I've been in this world for 30 years. I beat the bastards! Now I'm trying to teach YOU how. Nobody ever said it was easy. It is hard work and study. But ANYBODY who really wants to can do it. ANYBODY!

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great info, Hammy...a couple of comments here from Las Vegas

1) Many casinos have "done away" with placing the final cut card 14-21 cards from the back of the shoe...so as to minimize any "card counting" advantage which may exist...more like 35-60 cards in many cases

2) Even the Dragon EV with heavy 8/9 removal results in little more than 1-2 "minimum $25 bets" can "usually" easily been won with much less "brain drain" from NOR, 4D, MDB, SAP application + money management, as opposed to "counting cards"

-Is It Worth IT(?) to achieve such minimal player advantage, when BTC offers up so many more ways to higher player advantage? ( that's a hypothetical question...up to each player)

(3) If cards are "factory pre-shuffled", and changed after each shoe, does this affect the outcome ? ( hmmnnnnn....)

(4) casinos already looking/have eliminated the Panda bet as they have been counseled to do so...

Just some random thoughts/observations.

Keep looking for "the edge"...that is what this forum is all about!

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great info, Hammy...a couple of comments here from Las Vegas

1) Many casinos have "done away" with placing the final cut card 14-21 cards from the back of the shoe...so as to minimize any "card counting" advantage which may exist...more like 35-60 cards in many cases

2) Even the Dragon EV with heavy 8/9 removal results in little more than 1-2 "minimum $25 bets" can "usually" easily been won with much less "brain drain" from NOR, 4D, MDB, SAP application + money management, as opposed to "counting cards"

-Is It Worth IT(?) to achieve such minimal player advantage, when BTC offers up so many more ways to higher player advantage? ( that's a hypothetical question...up to each player)

(3) If cards are "factory pre-shuffled", and changed after each shoe, does this affect the outcome ? ( hmmnnnnn....)

(4) casinos already looking/have eliminated the Panda bet as they have been counseled to do so...

Just some random thoughts/observations.

Keep looking for "the edge"...that is what this forum is all about!

IF I was a full time player, I think it would be worth it! You want to put everything to your advantage!!! BUT, only if the casino isn't cutting the cards too far from the back of the deck.

Where I am, the patrons love the Dragon and Panda bets even though they are horrible bets unless counting!!!

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Hey Hammy-

They love their Dragon and Panda here in Vegas as well!

Sometimes I think it's less about overall winning, and more about the thrill of " the big strike" for some people...

( kind of like slot machines, or the lottery...)

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