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Team,
I have been messing around with the significance of B vs P | TBL vs OTB4L | OO vs TT | and of course O vs R |. This thought is just to get a conversation going and see what you think, as I do not have enough games laid out but initially I am finding that B vs Player is the strongest statistic and that each of the others are secondary to which side to play.
For example if I look at a game from a Banker or Players disparity side of things unless it is a game where there are 20 bankers then followed by 20 players. The point being that if you played 20 bankers in a row it would be hard to play 20 players right after that unless you are using the O | R as the primary indicator.
O vs R should be given the next weight as it determines the over all complexion of the game followed by tbl vs OTB4l which effectively tracks disparity between 2 and and 3s and oo | TT 3s and 4s. We do that in SAP and perhaps it maybe easier to track those two that way wouldn't it? Granted in a longer run it may not effect twos and threes and threes and fours but wouldn't the OR do the same thing?
Also in a real life game I can't help but notice that we should be given credence and track what side has a two card natural more often. We totally ignore it as not significant. I am wondering coupled with another statistical such as B vs P and OR we may get a more statistical significant metric.
As a final thought with the OR count wouldn't that give you an indication later is the game what the possibility that the game will change sides and offer a potential one in a row?
Just a few thoughts?
Keith
Hey Keith,
Interesting analysis re: two card natural comment, but I have a question.....
Did you just take a shower?
CC
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Team,
I have been messing around with the significance of B vs P | TBL vs OTB4L | OO vs TT | and of course O vs R |. This thought is just to get a conversation going and see what you think, as I do not have enough games laid out but initially I am finding that B vs Player is the strongest statistic and that each of the others are secondary to which side to play.
For example if I look at a game from a Banker or Players disparity side of things unless it is a game where there are 20 bankers then followed by 20 players. The point being that if you played 20 bankers in a row it would be hard to play 20 players right after that unless you are using the O | R as the primary indicator.
O vs R should be given the next weight as it determines the over all complexion of the game followed by tbl vs OTB4l which effectively tracks disparity between 2 and and 3s and oo | TT 3s and 4s. We do that in SAP and perhaps it maybe easier to track those two that way wouldn't it? Granted in a longer run it may not effect twos and threes and threes and fours but wouldn't the OR do the same thing?
Also in a real life game I can't help but notice that we should be given credence and track what side has a two card natural more often. We totally ignore it as not significant. I am wondering coupled with another statistical such as B vs P and OR we may get a more statistical significant metric.
As a final thought with the OR count wouldn't that give you an indication later is the game what the possibility that the game will change sides and offer a potential one in a row?
Just a few thoughts?
Keith
Interesting analysis Keith, but I have a question.....
Did you just take a shower?
CC
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Cool, I would like to to attend thi and offer assistance but I won't be in Macau until November... Oh well.
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If I ever spend 5 grand on a gambling system may I rot in Hell. LMAO. No I didn't pay 5 grand for 4D, I was just trying to cheer up CdnChamer.
Cheer me up? Naaaa. What I was seeking her on the forum is continuity, of forward thinking and directional goal setting instead band wagon jumping to another to the next flavour of the month!
Since last fall;
4D
S40M1
3D100
The Oz Fiasco
Chubby checker / twist
$30000 in 30 days, back to the past with S40
Million Dollar System....
WHATS NEXT? Guess well have to wait until April fools to find out.
At least the NOR approach has been most consistant development this board has seen
We are great players and we need to be realistic....
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Very good Bac A. I'm thinking more like 4D1Million.
WARNING... READ AT YOUR OWN RISK, BECAUSE NOW... I'm not a happy camper.
Whoaaaaaaa! Wait just a minute there Eliis..... This Million Dollar system has absolutely nothing to do with 4D of which you were heavily touting in the fall of 2013 and even to the extent of hosting a 4D seminar in Vegas with a system that would provide us the answer to use a Super Bett!! Wow, so many people were so excited and followed our high IQ master...... Ellis C. Davis.. Whom I respect and seek his knowledgable advice but.. What I'm seeing does look well in many eyes other than myself. I've received numerous emails and text messages from other members about the 4D and the latest developments and texts received lately are... WTH is Ellis doing?
I managed to read between the lines... Just in time...
I am so glad I cancelled my trip to Vegas and I will tell you... If I had gone, and see what has happened now that you have abandoned the 4D method, I'd be PISSED! Furthermore, this system developers John and Fiona have offered so much effort over the past 4 years and you promoted the 4D to the extent that it had been complete and yet you still have nothing and was unable to supply members with a shoe and with no actual "Live play experience by yourself nor offered at Vegas to prove it works" SHAME ON YOU!
The new Millino Dollar System IMHO does not deserve the associated name you are posting here. The only thing that is relevant is that you gave up on the 4D because you could not come up with a solid system to use therefore now the Million Dollar plan is a diversion to the 4D.
One more little tidbit.... I am one of the earlier members to this forum dated approx 2006 whereas I was given an honorary membership to the private forum yet I was not grandfathered to get the NOR Approach free as others did. I say no more about this. Heck! I was there on the telephone with Ellis when we came up with OTB4L !
I'm not saying that I disagree with the million Dollar plan.... 4D is not associated with it and therefore should not be named as.
4D IS STILL VERY MUCH ALIVE.
Not trying to get you upset Ellis, you're an intelligent person but lately, I'm disturbed of what I've seen on this forum. I think you are smarter than this.
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Perhaps he got beaten up at a casino after bragging about winning 100 shoes iar and then posting it for the world to see.
poor Oz.....
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Ellis,
I'm sure we all appreciate your explanation here with your post about the columns, net betting... etc, but I think a posting of an actual played out score card of a shoe with all the columns filled out from the start would help us understand greatly. If you could, please do a play by play from the start of a shoe going through hand by hand showing us how to follow all the column's, when in the shoe you start and stop net betting a certain column and why. When in the shoe you start and stop SS betting a certain column and why. And vice versa as the shoe goes along. Like I said Ellis your explanation is greatly appreciated but I think an actual score card fully filled out with play by plays along with your explanations would help us visualize better what you're trying to explain. Explanations and sentences of how we should play is great but the score card should be used as a simple teaching tool for us. I hope you or Keith can please post a shoe or two to help us all. Thanks.
Yes I agree with you Bobby, it would be nice to finally see a shoe with play by play selection for us visual types on this forum... We've been waiting for quite sometime to see a posted shoe of the 4D based on the rules posted by Ellis. This will most likely be more self explanatory for members of the forum and eliminate a lot of questions.
A picture is worth a thousand words
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CC
Congratulations on your success.
How did you incorporate stop loss, decade and half decade in your playing strategy?
Played NOR+ stop loss was at -12, stop win not half decade, my target was +5 or greater and when I was above +5 I would not risk a bet to take it lower. If I was +11or higher, didn't let it go below +10, at +16 or higher, didn't let it go below +15, using 5 unit increments. It is possible that I could have made more money by playing for higher target, but as I have mentioned that I've seen NOR give back my winning so I tightened up my stop.
I'd rather win smaller more consistent than pushing the envelope
This requires strong discipline
I recommend that you record your wins with a spreadsheet or poker app on an iPad this gives you mental targets that are realistic and monitors your success and you may see changes depending on your notes.
Another recommendation is to take your bankroll and divide into five session rolls and then decide by unit buy in units to arrive at your unit bet. If you should lose a session roll, then you have 4 session rolls left... STOP ! Now, use the same equation as I meant ironed above to reset to a lower unit size. THISIS VERY IMPORTANT TO YOUR BANKROLL SURVIVAL. Don't worry if this happens, you are likely able to rebuild and go beyond higher then you were before losing the first session roll.
ALSO VERY IMPORTANT -- PAY YOURSELF AS YOU MAKE MONEY- I draw out 15 to 20% of my net winnings and deposit into my savings and chequing accounts on a regular basis. You need to reward yourself for your hard work as your bankroll grows and changes.
I've paid for my vacations with this money.and you can too.
Best wishes to all
CC
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ok guys,
I'm not talking about turning 1k to 10k in a month..maybe some of you guys pull it off perhaps even more..should one have expectations when applying NOR how much one should win?
Hello pipecub, I'll be realistic with you. "Read my lips". I needed to prove to the wife that NOR+ worked! she did not believe that I could win money consistently at the casino. Here's what I did.
Showed her that I would do a refresh start at $300.00 and she monitored t my bank account to verify that I was being honest...lol. Then...
In less than 6 weeks, I showed her $7,800 in CASH! and she hardly knew I was even playing cuz I played NOR+ hit n run style. She was astonished to say the least... Amazed.
Now she can't wait to kick me out of the house to go make more money.
NOR /NOR+ work! and there are other systems on the horizon.
I can honestly say that you will go through a heftily learning curve studying and becoming a great player, this takes time. You will not regret becoming a member of the best baccarat players in the world.
Welcome.
CC
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I get lost in the tracking seriously add that to quick dealers. The bet I should have one I skipped and the one I lost is the one I played even with u1d2m2 ,my losing bets go up to 5~7 units quickly. I like winning my one and two unit bets only. I should have left at +25 units including commission. This is just my honest opinion.
Gee whenever I am fortunate to be in a shoe that has just gifted me +25 units, I wouldn't let it drop below +20 units, by this time you are deep enough into a shoe that the turn of the worm can come out and there are very few hands left in the shoe to revolver a large sequence of losses.
The deeper you are in a shoe, the tighter your stop / win should be. If you are unable to figure this out, you need to give your head a shake and hope you did some good. For some..... They just don't get it.
Heck! During summer of 2013, I managed to win 38 consecutive partially played shoes as a result of tight stop win >= +5 units per shoe that equates to minimum +190 units! DO THE MATH... Some shoes were played as little as 4 minutes!!! My highest winning shoe was +26 units and two shoes above +10
How? NOR+.
Ellis does not agree with this method, but I don't want to wastes hours at the table chasing for the tailored shoes that give +20 units like you see posted on the forum because...... SIMPLY, THEY DONT HAPPEN VERY OFTEN... Yes, you read it and don't let anyone tell you any different.
As I leave the tables winning in such short time.. Consistently, I could hear Chinese players complain why I leave so quickly because they follow me almost hand per hand. I know I've said this before but, dealers have even asked me to teach them my method.
Money management and risk management is key. NOW GET OUT THERE AND PRACTICE IT.
I'm going back to bed... Lol
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Practice = speed.
I couldn't agree more Ellis
BTW, best wishes to you for a successful seminar.
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Sorry don't really know what you mean
I lived in Vegas for four years and played every day, it did not mess me up?????[/QUOT
goodtohearyouwereavegasstalwartasitgivesourmembershopestormin'normingetitbestnottodukeitoutontheforumsaskyourfriendlivesinbiloxiaboutmeandiknowualreadyhavedonethisandhewillassureuintellectualdiscussionsbtweeenuandmewouldlbikediscussingobamacareandwebothknowwhothewinnerisevenbeforewestartandnoboywinssothisislikeanolivebranchihopeyouacceptit.
Now that was just mean and nasty.... My eyes are buzzed out now. Lol
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I think you missed my point.
I didn't ask about Obamacare
Like Obama's speeches I've never heard so many words that said so little.
Most leaders are like that, not much to say but we listen to them all the. Same...
Looking forward to the final chapter of "The Twist"
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PS
Worst thing we could do is get Dr. E .all upset about politix...we have a lot of compadres relying on him this weekend to be on his "A" game.
Ya Ellis doesn't care for Obamacare... Lol
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Hi Kevin,
I'm not only impatient, I'm growing a beard!
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Well, I guess I have to go back to work for at least one more day.LOL
YA, My boss is looking over my shoulder.... worried..... LOL
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So.
We have cleared that up.
YES, there is a TWIST, and within 24 hours you will know it.
( how about them apples?)
YOU HAVE EVERYONE'S ATTENTION !
YOU HAVE POSTED SAMPLE SHOES
YOU HAVE PROVEN THAT YOU ARE "REAL"
"JUST SAY NO TO A 3D100 FIASCO"
We all appreciate your genuine effort.
CC
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Oh yes, and this is why I strongly believe in brick and mortar casinos, the risk is too high on the internet and with dodgy sales tactics.
Thanks for sharing this with us.
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Like before, if i am unable to attend the webinar, will i be able to review the full video content at a later date?
Cc
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Will there be live play session with group on sat night or Sunday?
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We only have 4 people signed up for the bj clinic don't you think it's time to sign up and participate!education cost money but the cost of a great education is priceless.no one will be disappointed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well... I quit playing BJ in 2001 and never had the urge to ever go back since I find Baccarat more interesting. Not sure if I want to go back to BJ as other player bicker about the decisions you make at the table when things don't happen the way you want them too. The webinar sounds interesting but I am planning to sign up for Vegas seminar, I booked my hotel already, now to find an reasonable priced flight and then book my seminar with BTC, so I'm a third of the way there so far.
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PS Take me up on my free no risk offer Ellis. Send me SAP, I will write a program and give it to you free of charge and you can test against 1000's of shoes and see the results. If it wins I will send you $500.00. You get a way to offer a money back guarantee because you can prove it's results.
Archer XX-------------------->
Sorry to rain on your parade, but....... This has already been accomplished on a spreadsheet well over a year ago. We already know the success rate of SAP.
Please update yourself by reading through all the threads.
PS; I remember many years ago when I was Y & D like you..(Young & Dumb), I was so distraught at a BAC table one night that I sat a whole shoe without a single bet placed, I could not believe they let me do that, but the rule in a local casino here was as long as you had chips in front of you, you were allowed to sit unless there is a waiting list... But then! I met Ellis and learned SAP and other successful methods on this Forum... I no longer experienced the bijeebies.. Ha ha... I now hold my head high as I walk into all casinos knowing that I am an advantage player with the best BAC methods known on the planet. I can switch from system to system depending what the character of the shoe dictates. The Asians all talk about me as I pick up and leave the table with my winnings, they follow me at the table, dealers ask me to teach them how to play the game, I receive comps and am complimented on how well I play from dealers and pit bosses. Bottom line, with Ellis's help, you get respect from all others. Ellis doesn't need your $500 offer, in fact it sucks and an insult, so why don't you go post your so called system or whatever you are dreaming about on other Baccarat forums and join all the losers there..... You are not welcome here.
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Hey Peter, Great work, this looks to be a very good tool.
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Thank you Mr Davis,
And glad to see you are feeling better.
McVince - I was also confused at first. What helped me immensely is to reread the manual and make separate "cliff notes" on all the main points so you can reference them at-a-glance. I have it down to two sheets. The light bulb will start to come on. Then pull up the six sample shoe located here:
http://www.beatthecasino.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6665&page=2
that LOU30 posted (thank you LOU30) on this thread a few days back. Compare them to your notes as you follow along noting that marks in RED are when they go into OTR Mode 2 or 3 as indicated.
Play them thru a few times and you will start to get it. I'm nowhere near proficient yet (only joined a few days ago) but am starting to get the rationale of the Method.
Hope this helps,
Glenn
for easier notation I use red pen for 'OTR" bet units for easy identification for looking back to see if the 2nd OTR bet won or not. This is useful information for future bets of OTR. I also use RED pen for negative integers for all score tracking for NOR and 4D.
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Universal stuff
in BeatTheCasino.com Q and A Baccarat and Blackjack
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Thought I'd help you out Ellis, what's the opposite of dry?
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