mtman

I agree OZ..... I re-read his trip report and was a little shocked to read about him and his cfc boys playing read and greenchips, and the guys that were copying his bets played black and took them all. Hell if I had an "invincible" system, I would damn sure be playing black and purple, if not purple and yellow/orange! why in the hell is Ellis playing for peanuts when he supposedly has the keys to the city?!! I think you are right Big Chips and OZ.....maybe a combo of a and b. things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmm! Lol fwiw, I do give credit to Ellis for teaching me how to play this game and win consistently.... I just wish he would find that damn holy grail someday! Lol

Actually BigChips it sounds like they really kicked some ass in Vegas this week. Ellis said they cleaned out the tray using his new ANB system. Just maybe he's got something worthwhile with that?

Hi Keith, Any idea yet as to when the next Vegas play session will be? I was sorry that i missed this one but will definitely try to make the next one.

Kostas, Thanks again for taking the time to go over this shoe. Looks like i had made some miscalculations along the way. When you use that 1,2 prog are you just flat-betting until you lose and then you place a 2 bet? What happens then if you were to lose the 2bet, do you then go down to a 1 bet?....and how long do you stay in a 1-2 loop? ....or do you just play the whole shoe 1-2-1-2-1-2? I never really got into progressions because i don't feel as comfortable when my bet gets too high....but it seems with 5D you don't lose too many in a row so a progression is maybe the way i should start to play. mtman

Thanks alot Kostas for reviewing that shoe and playing it out. It's good to know that if you got to +17 and i only got to +3, then i must be doing something wrong....and the really good thing is that if i was winning playing the way i was playing, just think how good i could be if i was playing the Correct way!!! lol The hands that i had the problems with were: #'s 19, 21, 23, 27, 28, 30, 31, 36, 42 These hands are what i have on my separate tracking sheet as all 4 showing the bet should have favored one way, but the opposite actually won. I haven't had the time the last couple of days to go over this shoe again, but i will replay it over again in the next day or two, hand per hand to see if i get the same results.

Thanks alot guys! It was a great day this year, had a lot of fun playing at the casino and stayed free at their new hotel. Won a little bit of mone, but nothing to brag about! That night a couple of high rollers were in town and one of the four tables reserved. It started with a min of $100, then at about 10pm they upped it to $500 min ....can you believe that???...in Milwaukee WI of all places!?! I found out the next morning from one of the dealers that the young asian dude that was playing and betting anywhere from 1k - 5k per hand ended up winning $200k that night! ..... holy moses!!

Good morning guys and thanks for the responses! That's funny McVince because i was thinking i had an idea of who that person might be also! Sure ArkSobo, here is the shoe that gave me a little trouble...and when i looked back over my tracking sheet that i do separate from the 5D tracking, i found that there was 8 times that all disparity indicators lined up to show the same bet, However the opposite won! I sure as hell hope that i did something wrong in my tracking! Thanks for taking a look at this... P11162112313211428133..... the last three, which were bankers, i only played the first banker and then ended the shoe....here is a little more of the shoe i recorded while getting ready to leave.... P33111111 So as you can see there was even a tough last MDB+ bet with that 813333.....i wish i would of stuck around to see when that next 2 was coming. Funny thing is that i was up playing lastnight and had a struggle again with 5D. I think i need to take a step back and practice at home again, or just record shoes in real time at the casino and hypothetically bet. I think Modnar i just might try your idea and practice with the roulette also if its too busy by the bacc tables. I know this is good stuff but i need to tweak something it seems. From what i know about MDB+, this has helped me out of a few jams, and when i was down lastnight, all i did was then be patient and walk around and wait for MDB+ triggers and bet....and wouldn't ya know, i won them all and got back even and then left with profit! Well today is my birthday so i am heading out to play tonight and stay at the casino hotel and party the night away! Always great to use a little birthday magic luck in your favor!! Have a great day everybody! mtman

Hi guys, I wanted to start a new thread in the private forum here due to the jack-off that has hi-jacked Kevin's thread on the public forum. So how has 5D been working for you all so far? I basically have the tracking of the shoes mastered now to where i can have all the data recorded from the hand and then know what my next bet is going to be, all before the dealer gets done paying the table, so i am pretty proud of that.....and honestly, when 4D first came out i thought that was NO way in hell that i would be able to follow along and keep track of all that data. But Kevin has done an awesome job explaining it all. My shoe scores so far have been +7, -1, +10, +3 ......(the -1 shoe was at a +6 and i was going to stop but,....oh well, lesson learned!) I was a little shocked with the last shoe i played because there were 8 times where all 4 disparities pointed to the same bet, but it lost! I still pulled out with +3, but felt that the 5D system did not really help me win this shoe. I am going to try and replay the shoe tomorrow and re-track it hand by hand just to double check all my entries. I really feel that this could be a solid tool to extract a few units with each shoe very consistently. I just need to talk with Kevin now to get a little advanced training on some issues....like when 3 or 4 of the disparities are all >6. But so far so good and i will be playing again this week a few days..... R8 here i come baby!!! I was waiting for the holiday weekend to be over with before i bothered you Kevin! lol i'll be talking to you soon.. mtman

Hey XDotNet, Yah that was alot of fun!....it most always is when you are gifted with such a perfect shoe to exploit! After dinner i walked back past the bacc tables to see if you were still around but you had left. Well the shoe we were playing was still in progress and S40 was still chugging along full steam ahead. I went ahead and continued charting on my card from where i had left for dinner. Well the count got up to +25, and then finally ended at +23. I wanted to jump back in, but sometimes you think that it just looks too good to be true, but in this case it was true. Oh well, i was happy that we both made some coin and had a good night. It was great to meet you, and it sure felt good being able to talk the same language at the table with a fellow player, instead of having to listen to most everyone else's hocus pocus methods out there! See you back at the Potowatomie tables soon! mtman

Hi Kevin, hope you are well! I really do appreciate all the conversations we have had over the phone, but sure wish I would have met you here before you moved away! I was just at Potowatomie last night....was up, then down. Moved over to the $25 table for a new shoe start and killed it with S40...so got my losses back and walked out with a few bucks more than when I came in. everyone else was losing at the table but I sailed right thru with my BTC training thank goodness. But so many times lately I have been seeing these shoes out here change on a dime, so yes I appreciate your offer for some guidance because for some reason I am having a hard time being a consistent winner. Oh well, I am sure we can get that fixed. I was hoping to hear some sort of succes with MDB out here in the Chicago area, but no such luck yet. Take care and I'll be talking to you soon Kevin!

Thanks for the response Rich....glad to hear of your success at Fourwinds. I almost went over there yesterday, but ended up going to Horseshoe instead and got beat up a little. Hopefully you have better luck. I'm thinking that those cards at Horseshoe are better for MDB rather than NOR...let me know what you observed and think.

Hi guys, Well it's been about 6 months since I last asked the question,...Anybody in the Chicagoland area playing MDB+, and if so how have things been going so far? I was at Horseshoe Casino last week and was talking to a dealer and he seems to think that the cards are factory pre shuffled... I noticed that they come to the table in what looked to be a pre-packaged box shoe of cards, not the regular 8 deck boxes. I will try to find out more next time I go, but if the touch games there are using the factory cards, then I think it's time to jump aboard the MDB train. I know that Potowatomie and Rivers use regular cards so that is why i have held off joining since they are where I go the most. But if I could play MDB down at Horseshoe then I think the hour and a half drive would be well worth it. I noticed Rich and Xing are now MDB members... Are you guys using that system in the area successfully? Thanks, Mtman

Hi guys, Just wanted to know if anyone in the Chicago-Milwaukee area has had any success playing the new MDB system? I would assume that Rivers and Horseshoe would be the best to play it... I am currently thinking about joining the MDB forum. Thanks, Mtman

Hi guys....I'm also in the area and think it would be great to meet up with some local members. Mtman

Hi guys, Just wanted to give a little update and say hello to the forum.....after attending the intro to NOR seminar a couple of weeks ago, I finally took the plunge and joined this elite Baccarat brotherhood.....lol I downloaded the manual and read it thru twice, then last Sunday another new member and myself had a 2 hour NOR training webinar class with the trainer Steve. So far I have been to the casino 4 times and only played an hour or less each time, and only one shoe each visit. Results so far are: +5, +12, +4, +4 I am really excited as to what this can become! Slow and steady wins the race and all I want is my little slice of the great Big casino pie! Steve has done a great job with the training and helping me to jump start this new adventure....thanks Steve! Best of luck everyone! mtman

Hi Stephen, I just sent you a PM..... am wondering the same thing as Hamster, will this seminar be available to purchase and watch on-line, and possibly also at a later date? Would love to be there in LA but have another commitment on Saturday. Thanks, mtman

Hi Brendan, So what are your thoughts on the 'Twist' method? Was it successful for you? I'm hoping to get to the casino soon to try it out... Thanks, mtman

Hi Kevin, Thanks for sharing this new idea/method! I think i am beginning to grasp it, but still have a few questions..... 1. would you want to choose low "Twist" #'s, such as 1,2 or 3, because some shoes it takes forever for a player to hit 4 or 5 in a row, or maybe not at all in that shoe.....for example, if you choose 1/1, then you would be able to bet more often then if you chose 5/3 your numbers? 2. are you playing this "Twist" method and only looking for a few hands to bet each shoe, as when your numbers dictate to bet? Thanks, mtman