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  2. Head is spinning. Need clarification.

    in BeatTheCasino.com Q and A Baccarat and Blackjack

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    Hey mate ...settle down...don't worry about it too much...it will all become clear as you progress and it will be like a light bulb turning on in your head.

    I was probably a bit slower than most to grasp NOR...but now I reckon that I could play it in my sleep...(which is a good thing coz at my age... it can be hard to tell) lol

    Firstly...check out Ellis's 3rd post referred to by "G" above http://www.beatthecasino.com/forum/s...ead.php?t=7505

    Just a partial answer to your question about modes...With NOR...you are always in either M2 (Mode 2) or M3 (Mode 3)

    Generally...you will start S40 (System 40) in M2 ...which simply means that you just play opposites until you lose 2 bets in a row...If you lose 2 opposite bets ...then you go on the run (OTR) ...This simply means that if you have been betting opposites in this example PBBB...your first bet on Bank would be a winner...and your next 2 bets would be on Player which lose ...so your next bet would be to bet on the run of 3 Banks continuing...If that bet wins ...you generally bet on the run continuing and would place another bet on Bank...and then revert back to betting opposites

    If your first bet on Bank loses (your 3rd bet)...then you are in the wrong Mode and switch to M3 (Mode 3) which means that you now continue betting opposites until you lose 3 opposite bets in a row ...and then you place your 4th bet on the run ...but REMEMBER THIS...If you are in M3...you only make the one bet on the run and then revert back to betting opposites...and since your previous 3rd bet on opposites was a loser...you now switch back to M2

    "YOUR 3RD BET IS YOUR GUIDE TO MODES"...If it wins...you are in the correct Mode...If it loses...change Modes...

    There are some fine tuning tips that Ellis has posted...but this is basically how you determine your Mode selection.

    With OTB4L... You generally start in M3 and again you bet on the run after 3 losing bets... ie:..PBBBBB... B...After making your 3 losing Player bets in a row against 3 Banks you will bet on the run of Banks continuing and make your 4th bet a bet on Banker...if it wins...that means that there have been 6 Banks in a row...so you switch right back to OTB4L ...(after your 4th bet you wil revert back to OTB4L win or lose)

    Again...there are more fine tuning tips available from Ellis about dealing with runs .

    DON'T FORGET...IF YOU LOST YOUR 3RD OTB4L BET when in Mode 3...You then switch to Mode 2 after your OTR Bet

    The same rules apply to ZZ (Zig Zag) runs...but remember when counting ZZ runs...you include the last of the previous straight run ie: PP PBPBP...is a ZZ run of 5

    Also...REMEMBER TO KEEP TRACK OF YOUR ZZ RUNS AND STRAIGHT RUNS SEPARATELY BECAUSE YOU CAN BE IN DIFFERENT MODES FOR ZZ RUNS AND STRAIGHT RUNS.

    All this has been explained by Ellis and Steve in the Manuals and on the Forum many times...but sometimes it helps to look at things from another viewpoint...

    Hope this helps a touch...and hang in there...it will all become clear

    Oz

    BTW: Don't forget..."ALWAYS BEGIN YOUR SHOE BY FLAT BETTING SINGLE UNITS UNTIL YOU GET YOUR FIRST WIN...and then you can start your progression"

    Thanks for the input, but I think I'm even more confused now.

  3. Head is spinning. Need clarification.

    in BeatTheCasino.com Q and A Baccarat and Blackjack

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    So I know how to do an OR count (a miracle in itself considering math was never my strength), and I'm refining my ability to identify the shoe bias, I just need some clarification on a few things after reading through some more threads. Please correct me where I'm mistaken.

    1. Is there a glossary of terms?

    2. Are modes 2 and 3 backup for when regular betting in S40, F, and OTB4L starts to go south? Sometimes I'll see a post saying starting a system in mode 2 or 3. I thought modes 2 and 3 were for when you start losing, then revert back to original system. What am I missing here?

    3. I'll have an explanation of the modes next to me and I lose 8 hands in a row. When I try correcting (because obviously I'm in a wrong mode, though I won't know why) I just make things worse. How do I go about remedying this?

    There is sure to be more questions on the way. I'll probably be very slow to learning this. I thank you for your patience in advance.

  4. Wow, this really does work.

    in BeatTheCasino.com Q and A Baccarat and Blackjack

    Posted

    So Emerald, are you saying you had 12 2s in a row? Or was it 10 1's? Either way, great for S40 and not bad for OTB4L. Shoes where 2 of the 3 NOR systems win are fairly common. Sometimes all 3 NOR systems beat the same shoe. We like those!

    Yes, this is a Godsend S40 shoe. The first 3 puts us in M3 in time for the 2nd 3. I assume you quit shortly after going OTR on the 9 or perhaps you stayed on the run or you went on off on off as I have recently recommended???

    I had 10 banks in a row. I was unsure of how to shorthand document it so I just spelled the number out. Later I had 9 players. I played that whole sequence betting 1 unit at a time. This was a very strong F shoe. Now would be a good time to learn progression betting.

  7. OTR betting. What is it?

    in BeatTheCasino.com Q and A Baccarat and Blackjack

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    Funny thing just happened. I start playing on a live online casino to mostly practice my OR counting and get used to the process. Keep in mind I have just a rudimentary idea on the betting systems, not a clue on the modes for each of the systems, and no idea on where, when or how to do progressive betting.

    I just went through a shoe, identified the bias, and changed the system when I saw the bias change. It was a mostly neutral shoe with some F. I ended up ahead 8 units and I was just winging it on progressive betting (never more than 3 units at a time), and no idea on modes. Just followed the OR count. Couldn't be easier. I'm so glad this is the first place I'm learning baccarat from. I'm 25 and hopefully I'll have a long, profitable career ahead of me.

  12. NOR Baccarat or Blackjack?

    in BeatTheCasino.com Q and A Baccarat and Blackjack

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    Hello all. I was wondering which manual to get first, baccarat or blackjack? I have experience in the casino in blackjack (yes as a loser) but none with baccarat. I'm willing to do a reboot on everything I know about blackjack because let's face it, what I know doesn't work. Would it be more beneficial to just start out playing baccarat the NOR way? Also, does NOR work in online casinos and simulated games like my baccarat app? Thanks for your time.

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