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In life there is a famous saying "NO RISKS NO REWARDS" But from this post i learnt from a casino gaming perspective "DONT RISK UR MONEY FOR REWARDS" Its ok stay "NO REWARDS" as long as you are not risking your money..........

oops. ellis had already commented on ur sin about betting a 5 on -5. dint see that. sorry Ellis.

kkriats, Thanks for trying out the shoe i posted. I am pretty new to this system. so i cant correct your appraoch. Leave it to the experts. but from my point of view a) game 17 should u make a 5 bet being -5 down already. u would surpass the -8 stoploss. game 25 why one more OTR bet? Even my understanding may be wrong. Experts pls pitch in.... Thanks

Thanks gman.. I saw one more shoe hard shoe. Copied from the casinos. I started playing (practice) the shoe with S40 since it had to many 1's in the beginning but ended up hitting -8. P1111121341111 B7242113 P13131523 P13111 How would you approach this. Most importantly how do you change with the biases and when to stop(obviously before the stop loss limit in profit). Your help is greatly appreciated. Thanks,

Hi Ellis, I tried playing the F system with this during practice. I doesn't work too well. BTW its a live casino shoe copied from the toteboard. Can somebody shoe me how you approach this? B13343212111 P41121614111 B112111115213 Thanks,

Hi Ellis, Thanks for your prompt responses to questions/doubts. That's fabulous and really very useful. One more question i have. Its pretty easy to have the OR count of a shoe looking at tote board.(For mid shoe entry) Looking at the big eye portion of the tote board. No of new columns - (No of circles from row 2 to row n - unique green circles (tie)) Can you please mention what the different NOR systems like S40 => the OR count is positive + lots of ZZ and 5 inrs. OTB4L => the OR count is close to 0 + lots of TT . F => the OR count is negative + 3 inr + 4inr + long SS of either colors. Have I missed something? Your inputs are greatly appreciated. Thanks

Thanks Ellis and Way2Fast for the responses and encouragement. Will do all it takes.

Thanks Ellis for the clarification. Still digesting the information. Hope i get upto speed soon enough..

Does it mean because we are in Mode 3 we should continue 3 times in the losing side before going to OTR side?

Hi Ellis, The NOR manuals and the forum has been excellent insights. Learning and slowly sinking in. Thanks for the same. However I am pretty confused with the Modes and stuck and dont know how to proceed. Below is the question I am having. Could you please throw light as to why this decision was made? In the Sample Shoe 1 posted on the site where you are discussing about the S40 system. Game 29 you go OTR for 3 bets, won the bet, repeat OTR for 1 more time and continue Mode 2. Game 33 you go OTR for 3 bets, lost the bet, repeat OTR for 1 more time and shift to Mode 3. Game 53 you lost 2 bets and decided to go for the 3 bets straight down the losing side. Why not OTR for game 54 for the 3 bets? Greatly appreciate your help. Thanks

Hi folks, Me in singapore too... Just recently joined the NOR community and already learning a lot. Just overwhelmed with the fantastic way of playing Baccarat. It would be good to meet and learn from your experience if possible.

Hi All, Just joined this forum couple of days back and reading through the NOR manuals. I am having few doubts and hope the experts will throw light on the same. a) Is there an OR count which determines its a type of shoe. For Ex: On what negative count should i play the S40 system. When should i stop if the OR count moves towards 0? Later in the same shoe if the count goes positive should i be shifting to the F system or quit the shoe? When using progressions (123 4) if i lose/win a 3 bet what should be my next bet? c) What are these SAP systems? Is it something i should be learning as well? d) Where do i get the sample 6 shoes mentioned in the manuals for practice? Any advice for a new member would be greatly helpful. Thanks