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The shoes are from Unibet live-online casino. I live in europe so Im playing there from time to time. They have one table there and the deck is washed and hand-shuffled. It's an eight deck-shoe and they make the cut about after 6 decks. I've seen recently that they want to cut it even earlier. I saved a record of 3 shoes from today with no brakes or pauses. #1 P31112211412 112153222214 321114111 #2 P31821211513 122212111224 3132 #3 P11141161112 213111311533 14111 I remember a couple of days before it wasn't like this hard at the same table. Before it was more of a choppy table, and in a way it's still choppy sometimes but not consistently choppy. Haven't tried out OTBL4 yet but maybe it should fit these kind of shoes without any system change?

ok, because I've been struggling with those kind of shoes lately. It's hard to choose the right system when you suddenly when you see a bunch of 2s, 3s, and 4s appears after a pretty choppy start. My biggest problem for the moment is to accept that it's a bad shoe and simply leave it.

Ok, Ellis I played this shoe recently and like to know how you had played it? What have been your culprit? B1113212124221141131121344112 Thanks

Yeah you're right, good explanation, just what I needed. I am a conservative player as well and hates when the prog leaves me with a bet worth 8 times my first bet! That's what I felt before betting with a 1up2down prog, it's not comfortable enough for me, and you're sitting there almost waiting for the big drawdown (5-6 losing bets). Of course I also want to advance and bet with higher unit size and the 345, maybe even 456 looks good to achieve my goal. Didn't see it in that way, but you're so right! Thanks

Ellis, I have a question about the 345-prog and the unit rate we get with this prog. Isn't the high unit rate a bit misleading? You said that you averaged 17 units in the 10 hollywood casino shoes recently played. Shouldn't we divide it by 3 because actually we could convert the 3,4,5-prog into a 1, 1,33, 1,66-prog? Of course it depends of how you see it but my starting point in a progression has always been 1 unit. Thanks /Fred

Changing mind does affect the math. If you stick to cup #2 we have 1/3 chance to win. Change cup and we have 2/3 chance to win. I think it's called something like Monty hall-problem, remember it from school..=)

Fred said: yeah, I'm an ongoing member. But I'm a little confused, are there any rules that says when we make the switch between system40, RD1 and F2? That's the hardest part I think. Maybe I have missed something here? Ellis responds: Yeah, the rules and what system to play are all there several times over but they are scattered. I need to get them in one place. But the rules and system selection methodology has all been posted before. I didn't do anything new that has not been posted. We should probably take my above post and make a sticky manual with it so everyone can find it at any time.

Where are those instructions? Are they found in the forum section or do you have to buy the system40 manual to get these summarized rules? I don't think they are included in the ordinary system40 manual from the download section. Thanks

That's a good idea Ellis! I have waited for this to come, and maybe we could add something to the MM-strategy as well?

Hi! Is there something more we need to know about the "4s" except for the RD-chapter and the extended MM chapter? Thanks

Hello Ellis, I have a question about the mandatory bet in the prog. U1D2 M2. You win the 1 unit bet, then we place our 2 unit bet (M2) and lose. Are we following the progression as normal and place the 3 unit bet? Im really looking forward to the continuation of the manual! I appreciate that you explain "4s" step by step this way. At last Im angry at myself not looking at bac in a way like this before.. Thanks

Hi! I've been waiting for this. It's perfect because I'm a new member and need to get to the bottom with your methods and learn from the start. Since a came here I've been trying to read as much as I can in all type of threads but it's alot of info to take in.. I've "one" question for now, do you mean that the "4s-system" stands for 4 different systems that are combinated and system 40 is one of them? I don't want to rush this but which are included? Is it systems you can read about in this forum? Thanks /FF