[MDB+SAP Questions]

Hey Way-

Next trip I'll coordinate with you so we can meet up... I used your delayed trigger for the 2's but I used the original triggers for the others.

The shoes I posted are all touch games from Mansion High Limit Room @ MGM and the High Limit @ Aria. I'm not in front of the score cards but if I think the first 5 were from MGM and the others from Aria.

Ntrl9

[MDB+SAP Questions]

Wow, looks like a lot of 1's Ntri9 and low 3s in several. 18 has no 3s and 19 has only 2.

way2fast warned us about high 1's.

20 shoes in 3 days! You're dedicated!

So what did you play and how did you do?

Hi Ellis-

This thread is on the NOR forum so I am not going to go into specific play but I will give my thoughts... Dedicated?? Vegas has a lot of distractions but I was focused...

I must say I was a bit shocked after the first day... The SAP counts were all over the place and imagine my surprise when my very first shoe had

no 3's- NO 3's???? After my first shoe I was -5 due to no 3's but I ended the day +9.

The one thing I can say is that after my first day of play I kept an eye on the SAP count and did not chase LC events blindly assuming that they would even out. I missed out on a few bets but more importantly it kept me from losing progressions on shoes like the no or low 3's...

I am waiting for Way2fast to comment to see if this is what he is seeing regularly in Vegas. This was my first trip to Vegas since learning MDB+ and I must admit that I was a bit naive going in. I thought I was going to go home up 50 units, so much so that I was worried about traveling home with all that cash.

I am grateful that my first shoe had no 3's because it was a big time wake up call... I lowered my unit size to only play black for the remainder of the trip because I was not feeling very confident. In that sense it was not good but it forced me to keep my eye on the SAP count.

In summary I ended my trip up 19 units and I consider that a major victory only playing MDB+ given the shoes I faced. I posted 2 shoes 9 & 10 that I did not bet at all in the shoe. I know people are going to say +19 in 20 shoes is terrible but I went out to Vegas to play MDB+ and that is what I did.

To keep with the theme of this thread SAP can and will help you if you let it... I play NOR every day at my home casino because they deal regular cards and the shoes are mostly biased (some more than others). I use SAP in my normal every day play and in regular cards I use it to play MC/LC. This trip SAP saved me on a few of the crazy shoes. After this trip I am going to look at playing MDB+ triggers at my home casino on shoes when the SAP count is running close.

NTRL9

[MDB+SAP Questions]

Hey Way-

It was a quick trip, I got in late Thursday night and I left Sunday night. It was a quiet at MGM but Aria definitely had more action. I played the high limit room in both.

Here are the tables that I played, I'm not going to break them down into 20 plays:

1- P21241154211122422211224124

2- P1415111222432181121221213111121

3- B113132142364121121131

4- P2311111121111512111412121331122123

5- B43141131112342221242212111113

6- B21131351425323142126421421214

7- B3111111161213112231215311111211111

8- P531111141312221112212

9- P11521145111121111111111323

10- B221311114121112321211

11- P11154111126331431112154

12- P222151211113131314123

13- B1121411131111111214332115

14- P111111122313211122411341211

15- P1232112421124211111421211111121132111

16- B311111116121311223121531(11)111121111

17- P431411311123422212422121111113

18- B212141154211122422211224124

19- B1415111222432181121221213111111121

20- B231111121111512111412121331122123

Ntrl9

[how to beat this shoes]

Hi Ellis-

First and foremost I hope you're around for a long time. I know it must be a daunting and thankless job keeping up with the forum and answering the same questions over and over.

I can only speak for myself but I know there must be others out there like myself that have a great deal of gratitude for what you do. I know my bac game is a heck of a lot better since joining the forum and learning the approaches you teach.

That being said- What happens to those of us that already paid for U2hi that never got off the ground? I love the idea of a comprehensive book that has all the info we need in one place. I am definitely in, but I do feel that those of us that already paid for U2hi should get a credit towards the next system/book that is released.

Again I thank you and all the contributors (that "donate" their time day in and day out) for all that you do and have done so over the years.

Ntrl9

[how to beat this shoes]

William-

I see that you are a MDB Player.. This is another shoe that is presenting MDB+ signals and you can pick up an easy 4 units If you don't jump on the last set of 2's. Start posting your shoes on the MDB forum so other players can comment on the MDB+ signals that are taking place in the shoes that you are posting...

Ntrl9

[how to beat this shoes]

William-

If you played MDB+ it would have given you a +6 in this shoe. If you do a SAP count you will see that this shoe is just about perfectly random 14-16-12-16 are the SAP totals.

Ntrl9

[MDB+SAP Questions]

Hi Ellis-

I have a trip planned to Vegas in about two weeks and this is the first time I will be there since learning MDB+. I live in South Florida, my home casino uses regular cards and is dealing mostly NOR friendly shoes.

I plan on using my first day (or at least part of it) in Vegas to do a little recon. I would like to use the SAP count to determine if the casinos I plan to play at (and more specifically the tables) are MDB+ friendly. So for MDB+ I would like to see the SAP counts to be pretty much even with little disparity correct?

Your input and feedback will be greatly appreciated. I asked the question here rather than privately because I'm sure your answer will help others as well. Thanks...

[SAP/Reverse SAP - Ellis]

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this a public thread on the forum that you are posting on?

[Btc id]

That would be your User Name....scaldedcat

[Money management]

T-

You know my opinion on this one. I too look at +5 as my exit point no ifs, and's or buts. Regardless of how the shoe is going, if I win my first 5 plays I'm out, it's that simple. On the flip side I am out at -5. I have looked back at hundreds of shoes that I played and if I had played to +5 I would have won most if not many of my losing shoes. I don't know if it's right or wrong but I know it's the way I play. I'm not trying to set a record for the most units won in a shoe all I care about is the bank roll (If it's growing that I'm happy). I'm sure a lot of players can look back at their previous shoes and realize that +5 is easy- but try to be greedy to pull in at +20 is a lot harder. So it may take me 4 or 5 shoes to get to +20 for the day but I'm OK with that.

[Curious Baccarat Player at RWS Singapore]

CasinoFreak-

I will echo the comments of Brad01. I was kicking around the idea of joining for some time and lost a lot of money in that time. I recently joined NOR & MDB and the info available is immense. I recently looked over all of my scorecards that I played over the several months prior to joining and I can tell you. If I knew then what I know now, I would have made a lot of money instead of losing.

I was in your shoes not too long ago and I can tell you, the knowledge you gain from the forum, the manuals and boot camps is unparalleled. If your serious don't waste your time and money playing without joining. I too watched the videos and thought I had a grasp on S40 and others by watching the videos and I can tell you that is nothing compared to what is available to you once you join. Good Luck and I hope to see you in the members forum.

[Beating on line casinos]

Hey MVS-

I recently signed up with Neteller. I made a deposit using my debit card/visa and in about a week I received the card. One problem I am having is that the online casinos that I use will not accept Neteller from US customers (to fund or redeem winnings)... Go figure... I actually funded my accounts (2 at different sites) with Moneygram and payout is done the same way. So far so good, I made a withdrawal of $500 a couple of weeks ago, just to make sure I will get paid before I wasted time building up the account without being allowed to withdraw. Good luck...