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I was there but could not get the sound. What would be nice in a next session is to watch Ellis or Keith playing at a live casino. Explaining each decisions; which system to play, which progression,when changing of system using SAP and OR , stop win , stop loss. I think it is what every members are expecting.

Hi Keith , I am very interested ; please if you can give somemore information how this works. I live in France, so I should check the difference of time. Bernard bguilhaudin@hotmail.com

"That is an excellent way to play OTB4L. The only improvement you might make that will only help slightly is to go OTR on both straight and ZZ runs according to LC on your double SAP chart." Please Ellis can you explain. Should one use double SAP chart ?

it is what I found on the forum for OTB4L . Can I apply this rules with S40. Or is there any modifications? OK, now, how do you play this OTB4L? First I THINK that we can dispense with the 0 and or the 00 start. With OTB4L the 0 starts only help us when the shoe Starts with an early run. And an early run is going to kick us out of neutral anyway. If we had intended to play OTB4L against new cards I would take an early run as a sign of things to come and switch to SAP until the shoe proved differently. Played as an indepedent system, OTB4L is simple. You bet on Op after a repeat and on repeat after an Op. You are basically betting a TT pattern. That works out exactly opposite the age old TB4L system. You wait for 2 plays to start the shoe because it takes 2 plays to develop the first Op or the first Rep. You bet a 123 prog up one when you lose and back to 1 when you win. Now played that way your 3 bet will always be against a straight run that has already gone 4 or a zz run that has already gone 3. The straight run is obvious but an example of the ZZ would be a 2113 pattern. Your 3 bet would hit the middle circle of the 3 if you do it right. That's the way I played my 1 and 2 bets but my 3, I always played according to what the last 3 against a straight run did or my last 3 against an Op run did. Starting the shoe I stuck with the above rules, Ops after reps and reps after Ops but once I had bet a 3 against Ops the next 3 against Ops I bet according to what would have won on my last 3 against Ops and bet On or Against the Op run accordingly. The same with straight runs, As it turned out for me I ended up betting my 3 on the Op runs but against the straight runs. If the run continues through your 3 bet you bet 1 on the run until it ends then back to normal betting. If your 3 bet ended the run you go right back to normal betting. Try it a time or two referring to these rules. I'm sure you'll pick it right up. It's one of those things thats a lot harder to say than to do. Again, let's keep this thread clear of questions and save it for sample games. I'll start a new OTB4L questions thread. I'll also put up a sample of how to play the more aggressive U1D1. It is played exactly the same way except we don't go back to 1 on a win. We go 1 down instead. Recognize that OTB4L is NOT a net bet system. ALL bets are unopposed.

It seems quite complicated and needs a lot of experience. For the moment , I prefer to focus on playing each shoes separately and follow its trend . Maybe after sometimes I'll be able to feel the table trend.

Ellis I trust you because you said so ! I just want to know how you can know the shoe type produced by the card prep when you arrive in the casino at any time.

Thank for your answer. But what does the card prep consist in ? Do you have to be there to watch it and How to know the right schedule ? Or is there a way to check it anytime time you arrive in the casino ?

So S40A combines the best of all worlds: S40 is the best Chop system in the world but also handles Streak. F2 is the best Streak system in the world but can handle Chop. OTB4L is the best Neutral system and can outperform in Neutral . And RD1 is the best Streak system in a severe shortage of 1’s. (We call that last shoe type runs following runs.) The key to winning the most units possible with the S40A approach is to match the right system to the right shoe. This is accomplished by the simple OR count. But it is possible and relatively easy to predict the OR count through casino savvy: What does the card prep usually produce at this casino? What were the prior shoes favoring - chop or streak? Are the blue and red shoes playing the same or differently? How old are the cards? (New cards are generally more consistent than old cards.) Are the players at this table generally winning or losing? (If losing, we can expect the shoe type to remain the same. But, if winning, we can expect the shoe type to change.) Do all casinos in the world use card prep and how to check them ? In the casinos I know in Europe they hand shuffle between each shoe and the way they do it, I don't understand how the previous shoe can have any influence on the next one! If I start a shoe without knowing anything about the trend,I think I have to wait some hands to "feel" this shoe, applying O/R and SAP.Or maybe just flat betting. Could you , please summarize which system to use with wich O/R and SAP count and when to stop and change system. I think, as you say, it is what makes the winner from the loser. But it is also the most difficult notion to understand. Thank you

Please Ellis can you answer my question. Thank you

Please Ellis can you answer my question. Thank you

What are the morning card prep ? and how can you study and analyze them ?

The few casinos where I played (Canada, France and Dublinbet ) don't use machine to shuffle and only one colour of cards. I understand most of the rules , principles and MM of S40. The only problem is the use of the different counts: OT, OR ,SAP, double SAP. Which one and when and with which system. It is very confusing !

go to System 40 manual thread to download it

What is blue and red deck ?

Thank you Ellis. You say to start betting at the second hand if the table qualifies. You certainly use the previous shoe or shoes for this purpose. I don't understand how the dealer can influence the order of cards by shuffling and so biase the game . Bernard

What is the difference between using 1"s,2's and 3's as culprit and playing RD1, F2 and F3 ?