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let's come another, is NBJ workable on Pontoon or Spanish Blackjack?

I dont ask for nothing because these 2 are the only blackjacks I get to play in my casino.

Stan

Hi Stan, Let's take your European BJ question first. For members who have never come acrossed it, European BJ is the same as American BJ except the dealer deals her hole card last after the entire table has made their play.

The short answer is yes, NBJ is effective. In fact, one of our players won a major BJ turnament in Germany playing European rules. But it does require getting used to and some changes in strategy. The third base player is put in the position of predicting the dealer hole card based on the last cards dealt which are sometimes his own hit cards rather than assessing a card already dealt down. While this has a tendency to hurt our insurance decision, some feel that it helps in predicting the dealer hole card and puts the third base player in a slightly better position to break the dealer. I suspect that it is more of a question of what you are used to.

But it is an advantage for the NBJ first base player's hit or stand decision. In American BJ the first base player is hampered somewhat with his play decision because the hole card presents a blind spot at the most critical time, just before his hit decision. Not so with European rules. The first base player sees all critical cards and is better equipped to make his play decision. For this reason, the European NBJ player will want to favor the first base position more than the American NBJ player. Those used to European rules think they are an overall advantage. That may be but personally I don't like losing my insurance advantage which in some close games, determines the outcome for me. Given a choice I prefer European rules. But most Europeans given the same choice prefer European rules. Again, it mostly depends on what you are used to and taking best advantage of the situation at hand.

On your second question, you are using terminology I am not familiar with. Is Pontoon and Spanish the same thing making your choices European and Pontoon or are they different, making your choices Pontoon vs Spanish. If you can clear up the terminology for me I can probably answer your question better. BTW, do they have Baccarat at this casino?

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Oh, I should have mentioned: European rules eliminate the possibility of the Bahama hole card trick. That can be a big advantage. The Bahama hole card trick can be deployed by any casino playing Vegas rules where both dealer cards are dealt down and finally the dealer turns one up. The rule is that her first card gets turned up. In the Bahama hole card trick, the cheating dealer glimpses her cards and turns the highest card up. With Vegas rules any dealer can do this and it is hard to catch. You cannot beat such a game! It increases the house odds by 14%. Watch for this in Vegas and Island casinos.

I have challenged Vegas to deal A.C. rules and deal the first card up to stop cheating dealers. The ONLY reason to deal Vegas rules is to aid cheating dealers. Other than that it is a disadvantage to both Casino and Players alike because it slows the game down. The first base player must wait for the last card to be turned over before he can begin to make his play decision. Unnecessary delay of game! My plea fell on deaf ears in Vegas. You have to ask yourself WHY? Why would Las Vegas continue a rule the sole purpose of which is to allow dealers to cheat and is a disadvantage in every other respect.

Vegas officials. Can you explain that to us? If not, WHY not????? I have personally caught your dealers red handed. Why do you continue to permit this?

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thanks for the response Ellis.

I am now reading the NBJ thoroughly but yet to finish, so i can't really say it fits to euro blackjack or not but i will raise questions after that.

The table games for my nearest casino is here

Genting - City of Entertainment | Casino de Genting

More Remarks:

- they are using 6 decks cards

- 1 card is burned before every new hand deals

you may look at the rules for blackjack or pontoon.

There goes the terminology you want.

Stan

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Hi Stan. Thanks for sending me the formal rules of Pontoon. They are very clever. Pontoon is precisely the same as short decking, an age old casino cheating method. This sways the odds heavily in the casino's favor. You'll definitely want to keep your distance from this game. You'll need a pontoon to keep your head above water. You are far better off to play the European version dealt there. You'll find, as many others have, that most of the principles of NBJ apply to this version and it CAN be beat. You have to hand it to these casinos. They're thinking every minute.

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Hi Ellis,

Thanks for your advice. I am not going to touch Pontoon from now on.

In your manual, you stated that first base usually depends on the last card hit on the previous hand.

Here in my casino, they burned every first card before the new hand deals, is this going to affect a lot?

Stan

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This is a very careful casino. I've played that condition a lot. While I'm sure it slightly decreases your First Base advantage the key word is slightly. The key to first base play is if the game is in the first base window or not.

I recall a rainy day in the Bahamas when my playing partner, Ann, and I decided to spend the day in that Cable Beach casino as did many others. All the tables were centered in the first base window. So we both played First Base me at first and she at second chair. She won just as much as I did even though my hand was in her way, so to speak. We did so well that our table always filled up quickly because we were the only players in the casino with large visible chip piles. We must have changed tables 50 times that day. We ended up $4500 ahead PLAYING $5 CHIPS!

One card is simply not going to make that much difference when you have good first base conditions.

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Vegas dealing the first card down is certainly used by cheating dealers. This I have seen myself. I think they may have other reasons for doing it. They know the cards are clumped, and I think they deal that card down and then turn it up so that it will be somewhat unclear to the players, so they won't start catching on to the relationship between the cards that are dealt to third and the dealer's cards. So even when they're not cheating, maybe they do it to obscure the clumping.

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Good thinking Mad Dog! And guys, don't think it is just the small back alley casinos we are talking about. We caught them red handed at Caesar's, Vegas playing with a table full of our members. The pit boss said he taught ALL his dealers to deal this way (highest dealer card up). We had to get the Casino Mgr. out there to settle it. The Casino Mgr. didn't hesitate. He declared it flagrant cheating and made the Pit Boss pay everyone their buy in money back.

My question is this: Even if a casino is NOT cheating, why put themselves in the position where the PERCEPTION can only be that they are cheating. I see no other good reason for this stupid rule (deal both dealer cards down then turn one up). Why would a casino want experienced players to think they are cheating? Why slow the game down with this stupid rule that has no legitamate purpose?

We know Vegas casino officials monitor us. Have some balls. Get on here and explain yourselves. The world is waiting for your reply. To have none is the same as an admission of guilt!

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