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Hello Ellis.

After your reply, I decided to play. I recently visited my local casino and played 1st base, no hole card - 6 decks - 4 players my self included - one2six suffle machine. The tens ratio was sutisfying (more than 4 out of 13). Started playing with new cards at about 13:00 p.m. What I noticed is:

- Eventhough I followed the stop loss method (1-1-2 and then jumped to 1-2-4) - I played satisfyingly well the 1st base Basic Strategy, I eventualy lost even my bankroll.

- The way the dealer picked up the cards was the way you teach. There were many pushes of tens and rarely clear clumps.

- Splits did not work out and my 21 was not paid twice because of dealer's 21 as well. Weird ha...?

- Many times it seemed as if cards were random or zippers.

- A few times there was bad 1st card predictability.

I wanted to ask you what did I do wrong? Should I play or protect my bankroll? Also I couldn't find Mad Dog in memberships list in order to inform me about the one2six suffle machine. Is he still a member?

Regards!

VIOLATOR77

P.S. While I was reading one of your 10 tips I want to ask you why you said not to split easily, could you give some more information for the reason why?

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I´ve had quite the same circumstances as you did; one2six shuffle machine, 6 decks, no hole card, but I played 3rd base. You say that your cards were quite random, so which strategie did you choose? basic or still the hi/lo runnings?

And what do you mean with the stop loss method? Is that a negative of positive betting prog?

Thanks in advance

pvdh.

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Hello Ellis.

After your reply, I decided to play. I recently visited my local casino and played 1st base, no hole card - 6 decks - 4 players my self included - one2six suffle machine. The tens ratio was sutisfying (more than 4 out of 13). Started playing with new cards at about 13:00 p.m. What I noticed is:

- Eventhough I followed the stop loss method (1-1-2 and then jumped to 1-2-4) - I played satisfyingly well the 1st base Basic Strategy, I eventualy lost even my bankroll.

- The way the dealer picked up the cards was the way you teach. There were many pushes of tens and rarely clear clumps.

- Splits did not work out and my 21 was not paid twice because of dealer's 21 as well. Weird ha...?

- Many times it seemed as if cards were random or zippers.

- A few times there was bad 1st card predictability.

I wanted to ask you what did I do wrong? Should I play or protect my bankroll? Also I couldn't find Mad Dog in memberships list in order to inform me about the one2six suffle machine. Is he still a member?

Regards!

VIOLATOR77

P.S. While I was reading one of your 10 tips I want to ask you why you said not to split easily, could you give some more information for the reason why?

You did a few things wrong:

Rule #1 says never play a losing game. About 95% of BJ games are poor choices. Most bad games you can eliminate from the isle But if you are staying in more games than you are getting out of straight away you are either accepting too many bad games or you have super powers of judging good games from the isle. I depart more games quickly than I stay in. Your bank roll is not a good stopping point. You passed your best stopping point long before that. You NEVER ploay for the sake of playing. You only play when you are winning. It make take a few tries to find the right seat at the right game but it is worth the extra time. BJ is not about $ per hour. It is about exploiting opportunities.

New cards are only good for First Base if you see serious boxed card clumping. Usually new cards are the most random you'll see all day and therefore usually a good 3rd base bet. The more random the cards are the more you favor third and the more clumped the more you favor First. This was a third base game.

4/13 is correct but not a good indicator of clumping. You want to look at highs following highs and/or lows following lows. BTW, whatever the % of highs following highs is lows will automatically be the same. So you really only need to monitor one way.

2 10 20 pushes are a clear sign to leave the game. It's exactly the same as short decking tens from the game.

I've written more about splits in the public forum since you posted. Check it out. Splits are BAD but sometimes the best of two evils. Only split when its clear what is running and what is running helps you.

For instance, everybody splits aces. WRONG! Only split aces if tens are running. If you don't split aces you almost always get 2 free hits. There is no way to break on your first hit. The most you can get is 12. The only way you can break in two hits is to get two tens which is hard to do with lows running. So you are going to end up with 5 cards at least and EACH of your aces can be played high or low. That is an awful lot of chances to make a good hand.

What do you do at third base with a pair of 6s with tens running? If you split you'll likely get 2 16s with twice as much money bet. If you hit, you'l get 22 for sure. STAND and let the dealer deal with the tens. It's her worst card. It's better to lose your bet than to lose double your bet. Splits lose overall. That's why the casino lets you split. They aren't stupid.

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I´ve had quite the same circumstances as you did; one2six shuffle machine, 6 decks, no hole card, but I played 3rd base. You say that your cards were quite random, so which strategie did you choose? basic or still the hi/lo runnings?

And what do you mean with the stop loss method? Is that a negative of positive betting prog?

Thanks in advance

pvdh.

Hello pvdh. Thank you for your reply. Actually I was playing 1st base - basic strategy and I was using a 1-1-2 neg prog first and then jumped to 1-2-4 neg prog. What I've noticed is that one2six produces quite random cards and after 2 hours it produces clumps and 10's pushes. These days I tried 3rd base and played basic and variable strategy (when there were clumps). At first I tested the waters playing the minimum bet and then used again 1-1-2 and 1-2-4 neg prog. I think I did it much better than the last time and followed Elli's advice to leave the table if I feel that something is going wrong. So I saved my half bank roll last time rather than totally loosing it. Of course there were times where I was winning, especially in the beggining.

What are your experiences? Have you found a way to beat them?

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Hello pvdh. Thank you for your reply. Actually I was playing 1st base - basic strategy and I was using a 1-1-2 neg prog first and then jumped to 1-2-4 neg prog. What I've noticed is that one2six produces quite random cards and after 2 hours it produces clumps and 10's pushes. These days I tried 3rd base and played basic and variable strategy (when there were clumps). At first I tested the waters playing the minimum bet and then used again 1-1-2 and 1-2-4 neg prog. I think I did it much better than the last time and followed Elli's advice to leave the table if I feel that something is going wrong. So I saved my half bank roll last time rather than totally loosing it. Of course there were times where I was winning, especially in the beggining.

What are your experiences? Have you found a way to beat them?

The cards from the One2Six are quite random indeed, so I don´t see many clear clumps. And moreover it can change very quickly, I had many tens following tens, but suddenly it changed radically into high following low more often. In my opinion is the Variable Strategy (clumped or random) not suited enough for the European BJ (no hole card, shuffle machine, a lot of players). However I strongly believe in not splitting/doubling (too much).

One more thing. A shufflemachine stopped working, so I could have a look inside. I saw that the inserted card is put on top of the little deck in the machine, that means that the inserted card will be dealt first (when that little deck is moving to the exit of the machine). Im thinking about this, if I know something more, Ill let it know.

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Hi All,

Great advice from Ellis on this thread!!!! Sorry I have not been able to post over the month and a half. I have been very ill with diabetic complications. I am starting to feel a little better, so I hope to post some 1st base tactics soon.

I'll be in touch,

John Taormino

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where is John Taormino that I |don t see poosting anymore he said 3 years ago he have a bomb about first base strategy but I don t know any more about this ideas

I only rarely talk to him and he has some health issues. But he was talking about No Rent First Base. It IS some very good stuff. But we can teach it to BJ members right here. Don't forget, I taught John.

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Thanks for the quickly responde Ellis and I also hope John will recov

er soon his health, so where I can find more information about No rent first base tactic to apply to first base strategy

Thanks

Jairo bigplayer

You need to join the private BJ forum if you haven't already by buying a BJ manual from us that you don't already have. If you don't have any I would recommend either NBJ or O Prox. O Prox would probably be the simpler to start with. If you already have all our manuals I think you can join the private forum free. If you have any questions about joining, address them to Keith@beatthecasino.com or PM him at Keith Smith on our PM system.

Then, we are doing an on line seminar on No Rent First Base right away. I think it is scheduled for this Saturday and I think this first on line seminar is free because we will be ironing out any technical problems. After that, they are far less than our actual seminars. You'd think I would know all this pricing stuff but I just stick to teaching.

No Rent First Base is excellent for beginners and even pros because it is a virtually sure way of winning and building your initial bankroll. It is really a legal way to cheat.

John T. played it up and down Atlantic City when he first started and won every day. It is a very clever strategy that you would never think of on your own. But it is a great beginner strategy because you can do this before learning all the ins and outs of professional play. It's a great way to make some money and have some fun while you are learning.

Hope to meet you at the on line seminar.

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I am fully agree with you that BJ games are the poor choices.I am not a master in this game. But know some rules about this game.

Nonsense! BJ at 15% is the lowest casino profit of all table games and therefore the best table game you could play. But you must know exactly what you are doing. That is why we sell professional BJ manuals here plus a support forum.

But no game is good if you don't know how to play. You will lose. This is an absolute certainty! That is why we teach professional BJ here. There are no short cuts and you can't teach yourself. Like any profession you must learn how first.

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