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Hello everyone, I am a Peruvian baccarat player, I am new here and very impressed with the content. I wish I had visited this forum several years ago.

I am seriously thinking of buying access to the private NOR forum. I have read some posts and is it real that NOR can gives you about 10 units per shoe aprox.? if it is right it is awesome.

As I am new in this forum I have some question for Ellis or some other member that could help me:

1. Does NOR have a strategy to play all hands in the shoe or its strategy is when it reaches a take profit then leave the table? I prefer to play the entire shoe because the Casino where I go has some hours during the day that is empty, the baccarat tables are empty just me playing and I can't let the shoe in half.

2. is NOR already finished or it is improving with time.

3. In the Private Forum are there samples shoes or videos to learn NOR faster?

4. In the private forum the members talk about their shoes? can they upload their shoes to evaluate? I would like to have an idea how is to be a private member that I can't find here in the public forum

Thanks in advice for your time

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Hello everyone, I am a Peruvian baccarat player, I am new here and very impressed with the content. I wish I had visited this forum several years ago.

I am seriously thinking of buying access to the private NOR forum. I have read some posts and is it real that NOR can gives you about 10 units per shoe aprox.? if it is right it is awesome.

Welcome Danicito!

Right, about +9 average played conservatively to a 5 unit max bet. and a -8 stop loss, depending somewhat on conditions and table selection opportunities. About an 85 - 90% win rate.

To give you an idea go here:

Ellis' NOR Seminar in PA and Field Trip to AC « ImSpirit

There you will find a well written report on one of my recent trips by an unbiased outsider. It is a good example because I played 4 different tables at two different casinos. Most anybody can get lucky and win 6 shoes straight but it takes a lot more than luck to do this with a 26% Player Advantage.

I'm sure you know by now that to beat this game consistently you must know exactly what you are doing.

After 30 years of play I know that the only way to consistently beat this game is to bet with the biases. NOR is the best possible way to do this.

As I am new in this forum I have some question for Ellis or some other member that could help me:

1. Does NOR have a strategy to play all hands in the shoe or its strategy is when it reaches a take profit then leave the table? I prefer to play the entire shoe because the Casino where I go has some hours during the day that is empty, the baccarat tables are empty just me playing and I can't let the shoe in half.

Yes. While it may not be the best possible way to play NOR, I often play head to head under the same conditions you face.

2. is NOR already finished or it is improving with time.

Well, both actually. NOR is a completed Approach but we can still incorporate good ideas from members. That is the advantage of having a forum. Many heads are better than one. There is an informal NOR Manual on the forum under The NOR Approach. But also, a formal hard copy manual will be available shortly.

3. In the Private Forum are there samples shoes or videos to learn NOR faster?

Yes, of course!

4. In the private forum the members talk about their shoes? can they upload their shoes to evaluate? I would like to have an idea how is to be a private member that I can't find here in the public forum.

Thanks in advance for your time

Yes, we are constantly reviewing and critiquing each other's shoes directly from posted copies of their actual score cards.

You'll see order buttons on the top of most every page. It's NOR you want to learn. You will find us an extremely helpful and courteous group. Nothing else like it on the internet

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Thanks for your quick response Ellis.

I was researching further about NOR only until it is allowed and I have visited ImSpirit blog very interesting by the way.

I see that it uses only 3 methods: S40 for choppy shoes, OBT for Neutral shoes and some other for Repeater shoes. I assume that you have some indicator at the begining of the shoe to tell you what method to use and you use this method along entire shoes or until reach 10 unit take profit.

I am ok with that but for instance I have seen a hundred of shoes start with this way PBP or the same BPB... a first look it looks like a choppy shoe but during the play it becomes a repeater shoe with a lot of straings of 5s, 6s.. etc. Then I have seen a hundred of shoes with the opposite now for instance it starts with straights of 4s or 5s looks like a repeater shoe then it becomes a choppy shoe.

Sorry if I am being annoying with my doubts but I want to be sure that it can guarantee 26% advantage player because it is a huge advantage for the player as Casinos only has 1% of advantage aprox.

Off topic questions.

1. When I see 26% of advantage... you can say that Baccarat is more profitable than Blackjack?

2. just a curiosity... are there spanish-speaking Latin American members in the private room?

Thanks again

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Hello everyone, I am a Peruvian baccarat player, I am new here and very impressed with the content. I wish I had visited this forum several years ago.

I am seriously thinking of buying access to the private NOR forum. I have read some posts and is it real that NOR can gives you about 10 units per shoe aprox.? if it is right it is awesome.

As I am new in this forum I have some question for Ellis or some other member that could help me:

1. Does NOR have a strategy to play all hands in the shoe or its strategy is when it reaches a take profit then leave the table? I prefer to play the entire shoe because the Casino where I go has some hours during the day that is empty, the baccarat tables are empty just me playing and I can't let the shoe in half.

2. is NOR already finished or it is improving with time.

3. In the Private Forum are there samples shoes or videos to learn NOR faster?

4. In the private forum the members talk about their shoes? can they upload their shoes to evaluate? I would like to have an idea how is to be a private member that I can't find here in the public forum

Thanks in advice for your time

Danicito-

I have never been to Peru and I do not speak Spanish, but I can say with certainty that joining this forum will improve your Baccarat and Blackjack play immeasurably.

I used to play both, but my opinion is that BAC gives you a much greater chance of winning, and the ideas and concepts presented in this forum's private member section are very valuable.

For the last 10 years I have played Baccarat about 95% and Blackjack about 5% of the time. I joined the forum about 18 months ago, and like you, I wish I would have discovered it way earlier!

The private forum content is excellent, the disciplines necessary to win most of your shoes are explained crisply and in detail, and I have profited many times over the investment to join. All that said, you WILL NOT win every shoe, and it will take every measure of your willingness and commitment to practice the teachings on this forum to become a better player.

It is no different than thinking that just because you can ride a bicycle down the street, you can safely ride a motorcyle through the Andes mountains...or just because you can kick a ball, you will become an accomplished soccer player...in both cases, it takes many hours of learning, lots of practice, and the discipline to follow the guidelines taught to you by someone who really knows what they are talking about.

And it is not just from Ellis, but you will find the teachings and experience of many other forum members who have spent years formulating the best strategies for play.

I wish you well, and welcome.

( By the way, I really love to play both games - Baccarat and Blackjack - at a table with nobody else around, as I find that my decision-making is at its best w/o any distractions. Pehaps I am unusual in that regard, but you have my word that whether playing with a full house, in a casino with one table or 10 tables, by yourself or with others, you will really find a lot of good things here...)

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Thanks for your quick response Ellis.

I was researching further about NOR only until it is allowed and I have visited ImSpirit blog very interesting by the way.

I see that it uses only 3 methods: S40 for choppy shoes, OBT for Neutral shoes and some other for Repeater shoes. I assume that you have some indicator at the begining of the shoe to tell you what method to use and you use this method along entire shoes or until reach 10 unit take profit.

I am ok with that but for instance I have seen a hundred of shoes start with this way PBP or the same BPB... a first look it looks like a choppy shoe but during the play it becomes a repeater shoe with a lot of straings of 5s, 6s.. etc. Then I have seen a hundred of shoes with the opposite now for instance it starts with straights of 4s or 5s looks like a repeater shoe then it becomes a choppy shoe.

Sorry if I am being annoying with my doubts but I want to be sure that it can guarantee 26% advantage player because it is a huge advantage for the player as Casinos only has 1% of advantage aprox.

Off topic questions.

1. When I see 26% of advantage... you can say that Baccarat is more profitable than Blackjack?

2. just a curiosity... are there spanish-speaking Latin American members in the private room?

Thanks again

Hi Danicito, as I just mentioned in the public forum, I'm working on two separate posts, (BACCARAT BASICS EVERY PLAYER NEEDS TO KNOW and WHAT IS NOR AND WHY IS IT THE BEST BACCARAT INVESTMENT IN THE WORLD. These two articles should go a long way toward answering your questions in greater detail.

I think pretty much every language is represented at BTC. Although there is that one Belgian Congo dialect I'm not too sure about.

Yes, I happened to hit a 26% PA in those 6 consecutive shoes but played on 4 tables in two casinos. That shows you what CAN be done but we don't make that a goal. However, I would like to see members consistently hitting double digit PAs. As you probably know, that 26% PA compares directly to the 0.5% PA card counters strive to achieve but never actually do. Most BAC "experts" as well as ALL BJ "experts" would declare a 26% PA over 6 shoes impossible so it was a good thing I had Dave playing along side and recording everything exactly the way it unfolded. My guys were out on the boardwalk drinking beer in the rain while I played their money. Dumb bastards. Ahhh, the rain part I mean.

In my experience in both games I tended to win larger chunks of money in BJ BUT, there are probably less than 100 BJ players in the world that play at my level and I taught all of them. The good thing about NOR is that it is FAR easier to learn than my level of BJ. But comparing NOR to card counting well hell, there is no comparison. Card counting sucks.

OH, and Kachatz - Nice post!

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