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Hello to all,

I usually see 2 types of tables... do you know what is the different between MINI and MIDI baccarat?

About Casino in Vegas... what kind of these types of tables are there in Vegas?... Baccarat tables in Vegas use 8 or 6 decks?

Thanks in advance

Hi Danicito! While some Vegas casinos occassionally experiment with different games, nearly all Vegas Baccarat is 8 deck.

There may be NO difference between Mini and Midi Baccarat but when there is a difference it is usually the introduction of new cards. Midi (usually ten players) may introduce new cards every shoe more often than Mini.

Midi Bac with new cards introduced every shoe is somewhat more common than Mini with new cards every shoe. But in either case new cards every shoe is the best game in Vegas IF the cards are prepped right at the table from 8 individual sealed boxes.

The reason is that the card prep USUALLY presents a certain game type, usually OTB4L. Casinos, through their card prep, prefer OTB4L shoes simply because nobody beats them but us. NOR OTB4L.

So, particularly in MIDI BAC with new cards, table prepped every shoe, the casino gets what they want - OTB4L shoes, but we also get what WE want - a specific shoe type - OTB4L.

The fact that we win such shoes is of little consequence to the casinos because everybody else loses and there are far more of them, than us. The casinos get what they want in such games but we also get what we want. In such games we are very used to being the only winners.

The number of players in the game or at the table type is unimportant. The professional must always take the presentation into consideration. We prefer new cards every shoe prepped right in front of us. That gives us the most consistent game type. Just give us a consistent shoe type and we will win easily even if we are the ONLY winners.

There is always a plausible strategy. Our biggest advantage is the fact that casinos are convinced that the game cannot be beat. Therefore, they make mistakes. But there we are, waiting to jump on a situation. My job is to expose those situations to you. Your job is to pay attention and beat the bastards at their own game. Get it?

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Hello!

Going to be in Vegas in September, and I have just discovered Baccarat recently. I'm playing on my PC for practice.

I'm planning on playing in Vegas at the MGM Grand, and wondering if anyone has any info on what goes on there? Of course I'm planning on the mini tables. That sounds good to me, it sounds like the games go faster than the high roller games where people are dealt cards.

My understanding is MGM has twenty five dollar min, tables, which is fine with me also. I'll be there on a week day, likely. Are there good times to go? I know this game is much much better with more people. I can see who is winning and sit out hands if I can.

Do they have sheets where you can mark down winning hands? I'm wondering if I approach the table and people are already playing if I can look at their sheets? I also heard that casinos don't give comps for this game if you win big. Does anyone know if this is true? It doesn't surprise me really, the game is pretty much "easy" money. I do know one can lose at it, I'm not naive, but there's basically no skill, only in betting, so if you don't go overboard, one should walk away with something.

Also, I'm having a hard time finding Baccarat PC games. I have one that I downloaded, the others that I found are demos or scams. So in addition to the one that I found and play, I log in to a casino site that does free play. It's interrupted with them wanting me to do real play a lot, but it's a decent board. It's at euro casino... My PC game gets cumbersome and they take out money for ties which really screws me up. I pay myself back, but that's hard because you can only pay yourself in one hundred increments, so then if I need to lose money because I overpaid myself I bet on a tie, and that gets tedious and messes up my flow.

Do you guys have any Bac info on MGM and any suggestions for downloadable games?

Thanks

boomz

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Hello!

Going to be in Vegas in September, and I have just discovered Baccarat recently. I'm playing on my PC for practice.

I'm planning on playing in Vegas at the MGM Grand, and wondering if anyone has any info on what goes on there? Of course I'm planning on the mini tables. That sounds good to me, it sounds like the games go faster than the high roller games where people are dealt cards.

My understanding is MGM has twenty five dollar min, tables, which is fine with me also. I'll be there on a week day, likely. Are there good times to go? I know this game is much much better with more people. I can see who is winning and sit out hands if I can.

Do they have sheets where you can mark down winning hands? I'm wondering if I approach the table and people are already playing if I can look at their sheets? I also heard that casinos don't give comps for this game if you win big. Does anyone know if this is true? It doesn't surprise me really, the game is pretty much "easy" money. I do know one can lose at it, I'm not naive, but there's basically no skill, only in betting, so if you don't go overboard, one should walk away with something.

Also, I'm having a hard time finding Baccarat PC games. I have one that I downloaded, the others that I found are demos or scams. So in addition to the one that I found and play, I log in to a casino site that does free play. It's interrupted with them wanting me to do real play a lot, but it's a decent board. It's at euro casino... My PC game gets cumbersome and they take out money for ties which really screws me up. I pay myself back, but that's hard because you can only pay yourself in one hundred increments, so then if I need to lose money because I overpaid myself I bet on a tie, and that gets tedious and messes up my flow.

Do you guys have any Bac info on MGM and any suggestions for downloadable games?

Thanks

boomz

Wow, where to begin? You must have gotten your Baccarat education from a casino brochure. Everything you think you know is wrong.

First, Bac, like BJ is a game of skill.

Of all table games Bac is the most profitable for the casino. On average the casino makes 26% of the drop. BJ, BTW is 15%. Therefore Bac players get comped quicker and better than anyone in the casino except slot players. And also because Bac is usually a bigger money game than BJ.

Average individual player daily losses in Bac worldwide are $700! MGM is no exception.

You sound smart, just very misguided. I can guarantee you that every member here cringed when they read your post. You are lining up for a real misadventure. In this game you must really know what you are doing.

Look, you will be playing for serious money at MGM. You have some time left. Use it! My advice to you is to join the private Baccarat forum here and learn NOR. NOR is the best way to play MGM for reasons you will understand later. And you can't learn anywhere else. But time is of the essence.

Short of that, to avoid complete disaster, each time you play look for the player winning the most money on all the Bac tables and bet with him.

or

Find the losingest player and bet against him.

But first forget everything you think you know about Baccarat.

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Wow, where to begin? You must have gotten your Baccarat education from a casino brochure. Everything you think you know is wrong.

First, Bac, like BJ is a game of skill.

Of all table games Bac is the most profitable for the casino. On average the casino makes 26% of the drop. BJ, BTW is 15%. Therefore Bac players get comped quicker and better than anyone in the casino except slot players. And also because Bac is usually a bigger money game than BJ.

Average individual player daily losses in Bac worldwide are $700! MGM is no exception.

You sound smart, just very misguided. I can guarantee you that every member here cringed when they read your post. You are lining up for a real misadventure. In this game you must really know what you are doing.

Look, you will be playing for serious money at MGM. You have some time left. Use it! My advice to you is to join the private Baccarat forum here and learn NOR. NOR is the best way to play MGM for reasons you will understand later. And you can't learn anywhere else. But time is of the essence.

Short of that, to avoid complete disaster, each time you play look for the player winning the most money on all the Bac tables and bet with him.

or

Find the losingest player and bet against him.

But first forget everything you think you know about Baccarat.

Thanks for the response.

I know that the casinos make big money off Baccarat, I read that is due to the high rollers. I just also read that mini bacc does not get the comps, but it's good to hear they do.

Also, I think people know exactly what I mean when I say no skill. It's a chance game, but using betting skills increase your chances. There is not anything to play regarding the cards, only the bets. That's what I meant.

I've played hours upon hours of bacc, just not at the casino. So I'm wondering how MGM is set up if anyone knows. I read that the El Cortez has lower end Baccarat, I wonder if I should try that first.

I'm not sure how my questions or misconceptions about comping would lead to a gigantic misadventure :)

When I get back to the states (in Asia now) I'll be able to purchase things online, and maybe I'll join the inner sanctum forum, but I can't just now.

OH , and yes, and from playing I could tell this is a game where you want more people at the table so you can find a winner to follow if you're not hot yourself. I'll definitely be looking around at who is betting.

I also don't know if MGM has those score sheets or if I have to bring my own. I'll be making notations of Player Banker and Opposite and Repeat. Frankly, I'm not sure I can handle much more at this stage, it's enough to keep track of, and I'll likely be nervous in the casino setting. :)

Thanks again for your response and help.

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