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Shoe 1

P11151111414

B211121211514

Shoe 2

P11336213

P24112121411

B221221111131

Shoe 3

P1114131121112

B11311

Little about this Casino...It's more of a card house. Their games include: Baccarat, Blackjack and Paigow. There are shuffling machines next to each table. We are unable to touch any of the cards. When it's time to cut, one of the players makes the cut and then it seems that the dealer makes a second cut. If possible I would like a play by play approach.. I have been losing many times here and don't really understand why... I feel like my weakness may be table selection...maybe an explanation of what triggers I need to learn to pick the "right" table.

Thanks ahead of time guys!

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aaroneze, these shoes are eazy to beat with NOR+ but your avatar says you are a junior member. Are you not yet a NOR member? If you are going to be playing this casino you need to be a NOR member. You could probably have won back your tuition on these 3 shoes alone. But I can't be doing play by plays for you if you are not a NOR member. In fact on the NOR forum we are just now talking about shoes that begin with 111.

The dealer is not actually making a second cut but it does look that way to a beginner.

Also, about how many Bac tables are there?

Is this card room a 24 hour casino?

What time of day do they come out with new cards?

And what time do you play?

The reason I ask is these shoes look like they were dealt fairly soon after new cards were prepped.

Note how all the 4s and 5s are followed by 1's.

You may have a gold mine here but you need to know how to play.

I'd like to help you on this project but first I need to know for sure that you are a NOR member.

If you are and your avatar is wrong, I apologize. But it is too early in the morning for me to call Keith to find out.

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OK, it says you are posting on the NOR forum so I take it you are in fact a NOR member. But then, why didn't you post right on the NOR+ thread. These are good shoes for NOR+ discussion. Our site is a little screwed up right now but Keith is working on the problem. Otherwise I'd move your post myself. Just confirm to me you are a NOR member. Then I'll show you how to beat this easy shoe type. Hopefully Keith will have this site problem fixed soon and get your avatar corrected. Sorry for the inconvenience.

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OK, it says you are posting on the NOR forum so I take it you are in fact a NOR member. But then, why didn't you post right on the NOR+ thread. These are good shoes for NOR+ discussion. Our site is a little screwed up right now but Keith is working on the problem. Otherwise I'd move your post myself. Just confirm to me you are a NOR member. Then I'll show you how to beat this easy shoe type. Hopefully Keith will have this site problem fixed soon and get your avatar corrected. Sorry for the inconvenience.

Ellis,

I am a NOR member... I bought the NOR manual and have been posting/browsing on this site for the last 2-3 weeks... I have been messaging Keith for awhile to let him know that I did... I think he did change my avatar... I don't know what else to say to confirm that I am... And I'm not 100% sure if I have the most up to date manual. I feel like I have a real good grasp on the NOR system, but then I seem to be losing everytime I go that is why I have been posting shoes the last couple of days to see what I have been doing wrong and what the pros would do correct. I feel like I choose the most biased table there is (there are only 4 in this casino that plays baccarat) but biased as in color, or OR count. It seems that my major downfall seems to be possibly the shoe changing, or possibly me not truly knowing the system very well. Thanks for replying Ellis.

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aaroneze, these shoes are eazy to beat with NOR+ but your avatar says you are a junior member. Are you not yet a NOR member? If you are going to be playing this casino you need to be a NOR member. You could probably have won back your tuition on these 3 shoes alone. But I can't be doing play by plays for you if you are not a NOR member. In fact on the NOR forum we are just now talking about shoes that begin with 111.

The dealer is not actually making a second cut but it does look that way to a beginner.

Also, about how many Bac tables are there?

Is this card room a 24 hour casino?

What time of day do they come out with new cards?

And what time do you play?

The reason I ask is these shoes look like they were dealt fairly soon after new cards were prepped.

Note how all the 4s and 5s are followed by 1's.

You may have a gold mine here but you need to know how to play.

I'd like to help you on this project but first I need to know for sure that you are a NOR member.

If you are and your avatar is wrong, I apologize. But it is too early in the morning for me to call Keith to find out.

4 Bac tables

24 Hour Casino

NO clue on what time the cards come out, but I will ask whenever I go back.

I play at random times... so far I have been going from 11AM - 11PM somewhere between those times.

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4 Bac tables

24 Hour Casino

NO clue on what time the cards come out, but I will ask whenever I go back.

I play at random times... so far I have been going from 11AM - 11PM somewhere between those times.

OK first forget everything I said about membership. We had a major glitch in the system that Keith is working on and I've never seen this before but it had your avatar wrong. Keith called me about it yesterday at 6:30 am and I see it now has your avatar corrected. But our site is still partially down and I'm limited on what I can do. When it is fully up I'll edit my post and eliminate everything about your avatar. I knew you were a NOR member but then your avatar.....

OK, 4 tables is good. That is what I'm used to at Gold Strike Tunica. I'd still like to know if they are using regular or preshuffled cards???

The reason I was intrigued by your shoes is all 3 are high in 1's. At first glance I was wondering if you had found an S40 casino. But on closer examination I noted your 2nd shoe does not become high in 1s until late in the shoe. The OR count in the 2nd shoe keeps hitting 0 plus it starts with OTB4L favorable events and is therefore definitely an OTB4L shoe. So I started it OTB4L M3. I didn't bother with Mode 1 because the shoe is so choppy. I played the 3rd bet rule on all 3 shoes.

The other two both start with 111, a definite S40 giveaway so I started them S40 M2 as is my custom. In all 3 I played the first ST and ZZ runs the standard way and then went by history.

I began all 3 shoes at play 2. You may or may not have been able to do this depending on how much you knew about the table before you began recording the shoes.

Recognize that all 3 are only partial shoes. I can't tell if you quit early or started recording late.

I played them both U1D2 and U1D1M2.The scores were +22/+31; +16/+30; and +13/+19 in only 27 plays.

I can't get your email right now with our site still partially down but if you either post your email address or test email me at ellis_858@hotmail.com I will email you back the 3 shoe scans. You can either post them yourself or get one of the guys to, like King Koong or PJ. Post them right in this same thread. Once posted I'll do a play by play.

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The reason I was intrigued by your shoes is all 3 are high in 1's. At first glance I was wondering if you had found an S40 casino. But on closer examination I noted your 2nd shoe does not become high in 1s until late in the shoe. The OR count in the 2nd shoe keeps hitting 0 plus it starts with OTB4L favorable events and is therefore definitely an OTB4L shoe. So I started it OTB4L M3. I didn't bother with Mode 1 because the shoe is so choppy. I played the 3rd bet rule on all 3 shoes.

The other two both start with 111, a definite S40 giveaway so I started them S40 M2 as is my custom. In all 3 I played the first ST and ZZ runs the standard way and then went by history.

I began all 3 shoes at play 2. You may or may not have been able to do this depending on how much you knew about the table before you began recording the shoes.

Recognize that all 3 are only partial shoes. I can't tell if you quit early or started recording late.

I played them both U1D2 and U1D1M2.The scores were +22/+31; +16/+30; and +13/+19 in only 27 plays.

This thread is a little old, but I stumbled across it looking for sample shoes and decided to play them out. I played out Shoe #2 from the original post, below is my scorecard.

P11336213

P24112121411

B221221111131

I was not able to exactly replicate Ellis' +16 using OTB4LM3 with U1D2, but I got to +17 units by the last play. I don't think it would have played out that way live, with the going negative at play 29, probably would not have made the 4 bet at play 28 and just settled with a +5. If anyone has some time, could you critique my play and see if you see any problems. Any constructive criticism I'm sure would be helpful to all in learning proper play.post-6350-14500261490863_thumb.jpg

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