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Ok, so lets say I am in otbm3 as that is what we normally start out at... the first progression we lose so we change to m2 and that loses. Now we just lost both progressions... this doesn't mean its a bad shoe, but should we get out? our next mode would be m2 and keep m2 unless it is going m3 a lot.

As far as starting out m3 and it worked the first time, then the 2nd time, it would have won m2, i am assuming we suppose to switch to the last one, and then if we were at m2 and it went m3, then we stick to m3 for otb?

also another question, i seem to like s40 now as m3 is killer, but when in m2, it starts off at m3 and i lose a lot of bets that way too, so i guess it goes both ways... pretty hard when it gets to this point... it 3 banks or 4 banks back to 4 or 3 to 5 etc... so mode changes keep happening and lose a lot of 3 bets... what to do or its just bad shoe and i got to implant that in my head?

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Ok, so lets say I am in otbm3 as that is what we normally start out at... the first progression we lose so we change to m2 and that loses. Now we just lost both progressions... this doesn't mean its a bad shoe, but should we get out? our next mode would be m2 and keep m2 unless it is going m3 a lot.

As far as starting out m3 and it worked the first time, then the 2nd time, it would have won m2, i am assuming we suppose to switch to the last one, and then if we were at m2 and it went m3, then we stick to m3 for otb?

also another question, i seem to like s40 now as m3 is killer, but when in m2, it starts off at m3 and i lose a lot of bets that way too, so i guess it goes both ways... pretty hard when it gets to this point... it 3 banks or 4 banks back to 4 or 3 to 5 etc... so mode changes keep happening and lose a lot of 3 bets... what to do or its just bad shoe and i got to implant that in my head?

Kilieu, nobody can answer your questions the way you have stated them. Nothing is based on lost progressions. The system you play is based on which system has the highest hit rate thus far in the shoe. We call that "overlay". It is in your manual. Your mode is based on the 3rd bet rule - also in your manual.

You need to ask questions in terms of shoe examples. That is why we give you our short cut method of posing shoe examples. The way you are asking questions we have no idea of how many bets or progs you won or lost. We have no idea of the shoe or which system you should be playing. Try to re- ask your questions in practical terms with shoe examples. In doing so, you will likely answer your own questions.

What you do is based on information from the shoe thus far. So questions must be asked in terms of shoe examples.

For instance the only way you could start at play 2 and lose your entire 1234 prog W/O winning a bet is if a shoe started 1112 in which case OTB4L would be decidedly the wrong system. AND, in so doing, you ignored your stop loss.

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Ok, so lets say I am in otbm3 as that is what we normally start out at... the first progression we lose so we change to m2 and that loses. Now we just lost both progressions... this doesn't mean its a bad shoe, but should we get out? our next mode would be m2 and keep m2 unless it is going m3 a lot.

As far as starting out m3 and it worked the first time, then the 2nd time, it would have won m2, i am assuming we suppose to switch to the last one, and then if we were at m2 and it went m3, then we stick to m3 for otb?

also another question, i seem to like s40 now as m3 is killer, but when in m2, it starts off at m3 and i lose a lot of bets that way too, so i guess it goes both ways... pretty hard when it gets to this point... it 3 banks or 4 banks back to 4 or 3 to 5 etc... so mode changes keep happening and lose a lot of 3 bets... what to do or its just bad shoe and i got to implant that in my head?

Just a quickie, but fits right into my thoughts on " things your Mother never told you" about gambling...( or did she, and you were not listening?)

Never, Ever get romantically involved with a shoe you have to change your stripes every other hand.

1)Yes, the Father( a.k.a.TheCasino) may have all the money you are seeking...

2) But he is unlikely to value his entitlement to your dowry (a.k.a. Bankroll) as anything other than all part of a good day's work

Move on, play another shoe........or( and this is the ' secret sauce')....

WAIT until the shoe tells you which bet placement and money management system most likely will reward your patience

GoodLuck2You!

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